welshdragon77 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Morning all, Looking forward to buying a .17hmr rifle but if not sure what to get. I want good accuracy and solid built, would have liked the sako but the changing of barrels and re zeroing seems a lot of hassle. I have a CZ .22 mag already so I was thinking of either a Anchutz, Marlin or savage. You guys have any experience with anchutz, marlin or savage, ? If so let me know. Also if shooting foxes within 60 yards with one, what is the best ammunition to use. Thanks Welshdragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretboy111 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 If you do a search on here, under search at the top right of the screen you will get hundreds of posts that will answer you quesitons. Alex :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Do a search and i belive you will come up with a whole page of threads reccomending the CZ american or varmint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Anchutz thumbhole are very nice , at a price but hold there value for when and if you sell :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Anchutz thumbhole are very nice , at a price but hold there value for when and if you sell :look: Anschutz are amazing, if you can afford one, and it fits, buy one...otherwise you'll always be wondering why you didn't (as well as shooting with an inferior rifle! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Not quite sure why you have ruled out the Sako Quad as you wont need to change the barrel if your just getting the .17HMR. My .17HMR Quad shoots very well indeed. If I had the money though, I would get an Anshutz Thumbhole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdragon77 Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Thanks for all your advice guys, i chkecked other posots out the site to. Anschutz seem expensive, but very little of you seem to use a marlin or a savage, it is because their poor or is ?? CZ are always popular and i have one already. I do like the quad but i dont want the hassle of changing barrels all the time , id rather have one rifle for .17 hmr and another for .22 mag, unless somone can give me advice on why it would be better to have one. Whats people view on the sako quad, are they pretty accurate from factory new. Also i note .17 gr V Max are best on foxes ? Thanks for your patience I know there is alwasy a lot of talk bout .17 hmr rifles on this site but as a welshman i always want to get some good info before i spend my hard earned cash !! All the best Welshdragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 As I said before, if you are buying a .17HMR ONLY, then you wouldnt have to change the barrel if you bought the Quad in .17HMR ONLY. Most people will vote on a CZ as they are cheap and work straight from the box. As for the Quad, mine is extremely accurate in .17HMR and .22LR, that I have. Its a small, light rifle which makes it great to walk the fields hour after hour. I don't regret buying it all. As for ammo, well its what you get used to, but the V-Max work extremely well and are preferred by the Police as they are frangible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 In my eyes the quad is a gimick that is reasonably expensive and involves a lot of faffing arround. As sid the Annie is probably the best money no object gun. I've a CZ varmint and love it but its all down to personal taste and size of wallet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 The main feature of the Quad for me - and one that I have yet to exploit - is that one rifle can be taken shooting, with one scope, and leave only a barrel and magazine in the car as a second gun choice on the day. The reason I have yet to exploit that is that short length scopes are still developing. Sidewinder ones typically 2~3" shorter are now easily available which allow the barrels to be changed without removing the scope - albeit with perhaps a slightly higher mount. And the laser rangefinding ones are imminent - so I'm biding my time. Imagine if you will the benefits of taking the guesswork out of distance assessment. If you could determine the exact distance, virtually every shot, regardless of light conditions when lamping for instance, you would probably use the more discreet .22 barrel much more often because you will overcome the trajectory disadvantage, and therefore probably extend the distances you may use it at. Thus I would probably use .22 as a default hunting tool - but have the 17 on hand for bipod/long range work, perhaps from a hide or hedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Anshutz Thumbhole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 If Sako offered a 0.17 hmr in Finnfire version (and Varmint) then they would sell a damn sight more rifles than they do currently. The Quad is accurate, but hands up TRUTHFULLY please to all those Quad owners out there that change over barrels on a fairly regular basis. It's just a gimmick, and as I have said Sako have missed out on a real opportunity in not making a Finnfire Varmint version in 0.17. I bought an Anschutz thumbhole, but I never would have done so if Sako had not pratted about, catering for the huge American market where there is a huge demand for fashion. By the way I do own a Sako Varmint in 0.22 rimmy and a Sako 0.223. The reason is that I have never had any problems with Sako's, and I have been fortunate in my time in being able to afford what I consider to be the best available. Yes, and I have also owned various CZ/Brno rimmy's, and very good they were too for the price. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 There's a reason Anschutz are expensive...a VERY GOOD reason!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 There's a reason Anschutz are expensive...a VERY GOOD reason!!! Well said that man !!!!!!!!!!! :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Its funny how people put the Sako Quad down because they think its a gimmick. Did any of you stop to think that you don't actually have to buy it as a multi calibre rifle and therefore not have to bother changing the barrels? My first experience with rimfire in the field is thanks to Sussex Lad and his 1417 Thumbhole Anshutz and I have to say it by far one of the best rifles I have shot yet. However I hate the bolt and the fact that if you knock it it wont fire. I couldnt afford to buy two Anshutz rifles, scopes and everything else and was very keen to get a quality rifle and still maintain two calibres. The Quad certainly delivers quality in my opinion and the bolt is far superior to the Anshutz. I do accept however, that changing the barrels is a pain, particularly as I opted to mount the hubble space telescope on the top of it. I have also had a few issues with the .22LR barrel and had it sent back to GMK, twice! :look: But its all sorted and I love shooting it. Not too mention the money I have saved myself and still manage to shoot effectively two quality rifles. Its not sour grapes honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Aw Axe - Now you've mentioned the money they'll save they'll all want one and the prices will go up... But that's ok 'cos we've got ours allready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 your referance to marlin and savage i had a marlin complete junk althogh shot nice when it worked the thing is poor quality in my opinion , as far as savage they are fine for the money got a friend with one he loves it i presently have a ruger 77/17 great quality but not as acurate as even the marlin but a better working gun having said that i would go with a CZ/Anchutz or a SAKO I live in Canada but even i Know 90% of the best guns in the world are European Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Just spend the money and buy an Anschutz...you'll never regret it once you have it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I have a marlin 917 vs its accurate but long and heavy,mine has had a trigger mod which seems to be mandatory to marlin, and I have fitted a richards microfit stock, gun will group time after time @ sub 1" but a bipod is a MUST due to the guns weight, long range sniping at bunnies is also very good, again using a bipod ,my mate has the anschutz, and what a different creature it is tons lighter and a lot shorter and just as accurate, if I were to buy another .17 it would be the anschutz no question. cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 There's a reason Anschutz are expensive...a VERY GOOD reason!!! Their cost rate is about £100 per hour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Right, thought would post here rather than start a new thread. I am applying for my fac and want to get a .22 and .17hmr. I like the look of the Sako Quad and it would seem to make sense to get 1 gun that can do both jobs. It says the sights don't have to be adjusted between barrel changes. Can anyone confirm that this is the case in the real world and is this only the case with the Sako sights? Is it worth getting the Sako sights or would any good quality sights be ok? I assume I would be 2 guns on my ticket if I had a .17 and .22 barrels. Would I need to get moderators for each barrel or could I interchange between the two and would I have to reset the zero after doing this? Looking on the net most places won't commit to prices. What would be a good price for the quad with the .17hmr and .22lr? Cheers Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbruno Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 go with anchutz or cz stay away from marlin or savage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Right, thought would post here rather than start a new thread. I am applying for my fac and want to get a .22 and .17hmr. I like the look of the Sako Quad and it would seem to make sense to get 1 gun that can do both jobs. It says the sights don't have to be adjusted between barrel changes. Can anyone confirm that this is the case in the real world and is this only the case with the Sako sights? Is it worth getting the Sako sights or would any good quality sights be ok? I assume I would be 2 guns on my ticket if I had a .17 and .22 barrels. Would I need to get moderators for each barrel or could I interchange between the two and would I have to reset the zero after doing this? Looking on the net most places won't commit to prices. What would be a good price for the quad with the .17hmr and .22lr? Cheers Harry You will need to change the zero if you change the calibre. Depending on your choice of scope and mount height, you also have to remove the scope between changes too. As for the moderator, I bought a SAK and use it on both calibres. Price wise your looking at around £425 for the receiver and one barrel, £120 for the extra barrel and you will also need an additional magazine at £20, the SAK is £30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Right, thought would post here rather than start a new thread. I am applying for my fac and want to get a .22 and .17hmr. I like the look of the Sako Quad and it would seem to make sense to get 1 gun that can do both jobs. It says the sights don't have to be adjusted between barrel changes. Can anyone confirm that this is the case in the real world and is this only the case with the Sako sights? Is it worth getting the Sako sights or would any good quality sights be ok? I assume I would be 2 guns on my ticket if I had a .17 and .22 barrels. Would I need to get moderators for each barrel or could I interchange between the two and would I have to reset the zero after doing this? Looking on the net most places won't commit to prices. What would be a good price for the quad with the .17hmr and .22lr? Cheers Harry There are now high quality shorter side focus scopes on the market - The typical 2.5~3" reduction is what would otherwise overhang and obstruct the barrel fitting area of the receiver. Couple this with slightly higher than usual scope mounts and you should have clearance for the calibre changes without moving the scope. Bear in mind that your average shooting distance between the two calibres would probably be around 100 yards - an extra half inch or so on the scope height will hardly matter? If you are lucky there would be little if any difference in the windage adjustment - and either learn the respective distances or have a preset adjust routine between the two calibres. Thw SAKO scope... you need to remove and refit it for ANY barrel (includes the same one) change - and the new zero's are just different colour turret rings that you can set to zero. There would be two guns on your ticket - mine has 17HMR and .22 barrel - both with moderators - which you have to apply for too. If you're particularly flush with cash... by the time that application is signed sealed and delivered there should be laser rangefinder rifle scopes available. These look like they will be much shorter than average - and will probably exploit this barrel changing type rifle better than any other scope. My logic being that if you only need one scope for (2) rifles - why not splash out what two good scopes would cost anyway and enjoy the added precision in establishing distance? A sobering thought though - there doesnt seem to be an easy method for mounting a gun lamp to this scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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