kirky640 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 i have been sited to go to court to give evidence the story goes ,one night two cid plods came to my door and say have you noticed some writing on your fence? i say ye but im not bothered about it , as it was only bbht and was only 12 inch long and 4 inch high lettering so i tell them im not bothered and tell them i want no trouble and wouldnt like to upset the local yobs by pressing charges and off they go now i find they have carried on and now i have to go to court etc this cant be write can it has pc plod went off his rocker as it is im going to write a letter to the prosecutor fiscal asking for this to be stopped as one i didnt see who did it or can i remember when it was done any opinions welcome kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Just tell the truth. You are a witness or you are not. You don't volunteer or say I don't fancy telling the truth. It's called - being an adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Just tell the truth. You are a witness or you are not. You don't volunteer or say I don't fancy telling the truth. It's called - being an adult. ok but i know nothing about it at all so if i go to court they ask what do you know of this ? i say totaly nothing your honer and will go home after collecting my exspences and missing a days work !!! its my fence yes someone wrote on it yes but i dont no who you get my picture ?? kirky so why waist the tax payers money over sumit as silly ? it beggers believe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Hard to believe that this is the whole story. The Police are not this incompetent. They only take cases where they have a better than average chance of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 i have been sited to go to court to give evidence the story goes ,one night two cid plods came to my door and say have you noticed some writing on your fence? i say ye but im not bothered about it , as it was only bbht and was only 12 inch long and 4 inch high lettering so i tell them im not bothered and tell them i want no trouble and wouldnt like to upset the local yobs by pressing charges and off they go now i find they have carried on and now i have to go to court etc this cant be write can it has pc plod went off his rocker as it is im going to write a letter to the prosecutor fiscal asking for this to be stopped as one i didnt see who did it or can i remember when it was done any opinions welcome kirky move quickly,,, or tell any yobbo at the front door with an old "Babe Ruth tooth pic" you've just moved in ......... curtains drawn for the next week or two. shouldnt think ol bill went ahead without just cause, think about it " PAPER WORK " for plod, there has to be a good reason for it to go this far. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Hard to believe that this is the whole story. The Police are not this incompetent. They only take cases where they have a better than average chance of success. Where have you been all your life, my experiences of the police is that they are not bright enough to catch a 10 year old with a spray can. Sitting on their a**e catching motorists with a camera is normally their limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I think that's grossly unfair martin mate, the plod on the street is hardly to blame for 99% of what goes on, its "management" with stupid targets and the like. Kirky, you can only be summoned to court to give evidence if you have given a statement in which you allege something, or another witness to the offence has implicated you in some way - ie they say they saw you chase them off so you know who it is. There are other conditions like if you are to be considered a hostile witness or the court feels you won't attend unless they serve a witness summons on you. I know law is different in Scotland, but the normal form isn't to summons someone to court unless you are the accused, might be different up there like I say. If I was you, like you have said, i'd write to the PF and explain you have nothing to tell the court, will swear to that and therefore don't see the value in wasting the courts time. However, if you really have been summoned to appear in court you need to do something otherwise if you don't attend they can apply for a warrant to be issued for your arrest to facilitate your appearing before the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 thanks pin i did know not appearing would lead to my arrest i have done dury service before the only thing i didnt tell you is the said yob or group who ever has dobbed the same slogun on the bus stop that had been freshly painted and the last thing i want is to upet the local yobs and become there target this said i dont know what i could say or know to help the court convict anyone as i didnt sea or hear anything kirky ps your opinion is apprecated thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 If you are summonsed to court and you don't appear you MIGHT have a warrant issued, not always. Don't want to worry you mate, not why I typed that. Just they can if they want to. Best thing is to get onto the coppers who came round and make a statement to them that you know nothing, then its official and once recorded they will look like total clowns if they summon you to answer questions under oath when they know you don't know anything. Sounds to me like they are trying to get you to make a complaint of criminal damage, which seems odd, but perhaps they have crapola on these little yobs and its going to help them in some way? I'd be the same, something as daft as this isn't worth annoying the bucky drinking hoodie-wearing ned massive over is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Kirky . Just turn up an tell the truth . You did not see anything , so you tell em that . What more do you need to know ? all the best yis yp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 but just in case colin. i have a spare slot for a .17 mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 And ill look after the dog while you are away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 and yp will come round and sort the mrs out mate, so alls not lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 i deal with cops all the time. as pin said, they wouldnt be asking you to go along unless you had a statement providing valuable evidence, or.... someone has implicated you? even so, i would have thought you would at least know why. well, apart from the fact it was your fence. for this to even get the court there has to be strong evidence. the cps are a nightmare and in my opinion are plagued with indecision. they take FOREVER to come to a decision about anything. hmmmm. thought of asking the cops 'why ? ? ?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Sounds a little odd to me Kirky, But mabe the old bill want's to get them one way or another. I would get in toutch with them and tell them you did not see anythink and you dont see what use you would be to them in court. Good luck mate I hope you get it sorted. Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 well!!! thanks mark hawkeye,pin and yp at least if it all goes pear shaped i know 1 my guns will be in good hands 2 my dog will have loads of beer and cigs 3 my mrs will not go without thanks yp 4 thamks pin your a good mate yp ya dafty i have to atleast once a month cheers lad for all your coments ps oops and thanks darebear !!! kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I won't take it personally that I didn't get a mention you big soft Scottish ***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 could swear i thanked you mate oh and thanks again kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I am with the others on here. Tell them you saw NOTHING if you want peace and quiet! There was a family in Cowgate near me moved from a nice area under the council to buy their first house because the area was cheap. They made a few statements to the police etc and went to court to testify and for the next 12 years were victims of Abuse. They had their bin put against their house and set fire. Their Cars stolen and burned (3 or 4) Burgled on countless occasions Windows all round the house smashed at all hours of the day Come the finish they lived as recluses and had to stay in the house for fear of being assaulted in the street or burlged again. insurance companies WOULDN'T cover them because of the hassle etc They wrote to the council who did VERY little if anything at all to help. They tried solicitors to press the council to buy the house back so they could move etc using terms such as the area is NOT what they were led to beleive in the councils sales pitch etc which they HAD lied about because the area has been blighted for YEARS previous hence the new houses to TRY and raise the area up. Fat chance They went through ALL this **** because they were MODEL CITIZENS and testified agains't yobs and thugs in the area selling Drugs etc IF the government are not willing to help the people who help lock up the criminals then WHY should anyone stick their neck out in the forst place? MORE protection for witnesses or people who testify is whats needed. This is the biggest reason there are so many criminals who are NOT behind bars as they intimidate the witness or get their heavies to go play hell with their homes and property. you testify and they lads in question simply get an ASBO or Suspended sentence. They wait a little till it dies down then the recriminations start If it's just a smidge of paint i would paint over it and keep shtum LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Scottish law is very different to English law. In Scotland it is the police that decide wether or not they can press charges not just the victim. Even if the victim decides they don't want to press charges the police can still charge, especially for public order offences, breach of the peace, criminal damage...etc. When I was younger and worked in a pub we saw this all the time. Most of the staff chose to look the other way!! Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Question, since you live there and know the score, would kirky then be bound to appear via this summons to give evidence (odd, since he has none) or to confirm he lives there and that the grafitti is on his fence or something like that? Seems odd the police want someone there who doesn't know anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 If the graffiti is a 'tag' - i.e. his signature, the police may have caught them red handed somewhere else then charging them with a load of cases of it. Maybe you're just being called to say 'yes you live there and yes this graffiti was put on your fence'. There have been cases where police have gone to schools to look at the tags on kids's excercise books and try to match them up with graffiti that's been done. Graffiti artists are lowlife scum. They should be spraypainted in the eyes and sent out into the streets as a warning to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Hard to believe that this is the whole story. The Police are not this incompetent. They only take cases where they have a better than average chance of success. Oh mate you are priceless, for a minute there I thought you were being serious! Did you have a straight face when you were typing it? I think we have an early contender for "quote of the year"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Asking to give a statement is one thing...........demanding is another. My understaninding is that they would probably need a court order to force you to give evidence. If they don't, I see a potential breach of human rights. I wouldn't have thought you were obliged to choose as it was your proepty that was vandalised. Seems that they want you to do their job for them....................however it also seems that you are 'the kiddie' if you have an ASBO so would it really be worth getting involved..................that decision is upto you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 i deal with cops all the time. as pin said, they wouldnt be asking you to go along unless you had a statement providing valuable evidence, or.... someone has implicated you? even so, i would have thought you would at least know why. well, apart from the fact it was your fence. for this to even get the court there has to be strong evidence. the cps are a nightmare and in my opinion are plagued with indecision. they take FOREVER to come to a decision about anything. hmmmm. thought of asking the cops 'why ? ? ?' When they pull you off the street corners.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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