CPSA name Change AGM Proxy Vote Info

[Madcowz]

I emailed the CPSA last night to find out how to vote in the forthcoming AGM, as I am not able to actually attend.

 

I got a phone call from Paul @ CPSA at 8.30am this morning, which I thought was excellent service.

 

He showed me where the Proxy vote form is and the direct link is: http://www.cpsa.co.uk/about/dyncat.cfm?catid=16018

 

Or:

 

CPSA Home page - About CPSA - Articles - Association.

 

The full name of the document is: THE_COMPANIES_ACT_1985_TO_1989.doc

 

Scroll though to section 19. Proxy Voting. Fill in your details, sign and post to:

 

CPSA,

Edmonton House,

Bisley Camp,

Brookwood,

Woking, Surrey.

GU24 0NP

 

I have emailed the CPSA again to ask them if one of their board members is willing to be the Proxy Vote member and to supply their membership number. If I get these details, and I hope I do, I will post it here for your info.

 

Note, the link doesn't work in Firefox so you will have to use Internet Explorer (and yes, I did complain to them about this as well).

 

I also asked them to put a direct link to the form on the front page of their site. Why nobody had thought of that before I don't know.

 

 

regards,

 

 

/Madcowz

 

Ok,

 

Paul Rendell from CPSA says to use Phil Boakes (member number 9014) as our proxy contact.

 

 

 

/Mad

[pin]

They don't want people proxy voting and won't want to advertise the fact is my guess mate, which is why the details are tucked away in a document which they don't publicise.

 

I am guessing the top brass know the change and associated costs won't sit well with the members so are not deliberately making it difficult to vote, but at the same time won't go out of their way to make it easy, either.

[Madcowz]

They don't want people proxy voting and won't want to advertise the fact is my guess mate, which is why the details are tucked away in a document which they don't publicise.

 

 

Whoops!

 

[pin]

In order to fill in the proxy vote form we have to know which number has been given to the resolution for the name change vote, or to know what to call it.

 

I'll give them a call now..

 

 

The agenda isn't finalised yet but they say it will be published in the next issue of "Pull", which is due end of February. It should probably go on the website, too.

 

Assuming we see it at the end of Feb, that gives you about a week to do anything about it to make sure they get your proxy vote form in time for the AGM.

 

There will be other matters to vote on I am sure, which the form takes care of, will probably post something closer to the time

[Catamong]

Some comments on this subject from another forum, well worth a read, a good laugh:

 

"It seems that once again we have given way to the barmy brigade. It is

proposed that 'Pigeon' is dropped from the title of the CPSA and the word

'Target' replace it because animal rights supporters are too stupid to

differentiate between a clay pigeon and a real one. Mr Boake and his cahoots

would like to welcome you all to the wonderful world of political

correctness.

 

In the interests of accuracy which is given as one of the reasons for the

change we also need to consider 'Clay', they haven't been made from clay

for years if they ever were.

Perhaps we should also consider the word 'Shooting' that is also in the

title. With it's overtones of violence I think that has to go.

What about the scoring?. A 'kill' ? No not really. How about a 'hit'? No

still to violent. So dressed on our ballistic trousers to prevent nasty

scratches from the greenery, spectacles for our eyes (not glasses dearheart

it's not accurate), wellingtons against wet grass and foot rot, ear

defenders, gloves to stop chilblains, and high vis jacket complete with hard

hat we should say 'disassembled'

 

Then there are the different types of bird used in sporting rounds.

Springing teal and the rest will have to go and be replaced by things like

'a high looping, a bit on it's edge and going like stink disk of black

composite material'.

 

I'll bet before long we are asked to consider if there is a more up to date

instrument we could use rather then a gun because we all know guns are nasty

things used by unstable people who could go berserk at any time. We should

ban them and lower gun crime. It worked for handguns didn't it? It didn't?

Oh dear, well I'm sure it will when we ban shotguns.

 

We must be environmentally friendly so I thought of bows and arrows but

that's still too dangerous. What about if we throw sticks at them? On the

same theme we use electricity to power the traps, Hmm traps, perhaps someone

could suggest a less aggressive word for them. So we now need a launcher

that is zero carbon.

 

I there for propose:

 

The Association of people that wouldn't hurt a fly, that are kind to their

mums, old ladies, children and small furry creatures who throw sticks at

black things chucked in the air by environmentally friendly trappers and pay

lots of money for the privilege.

Oops, no, can't call them trappers can we? Damn I'll have to start again"

 

Cat

[pin]

I propose to try and be as militant as possible come the time and see if we can't make them realise its an association not a dictatorship which means we decide, they ask us if its ok.

[tosspot]

I emailed the CPSA last night to find out how to vote in the forthcoming AGM, as I am not able to actually attend.

 

I got a phone call from Paul @ CPSA at 8.30am this morning, which I thought was excellent service.

 

He showed me where the Proxy vote form is and the direct link is: http://www.cpsa.co.uk/about/dyncat.cfm?catid=16018

 

Or:

 

CPSA Home page - About CPSA - Articles - Association.

 

The full name of the document is: THE_COMPANIES_ACT_1985_TO_1989.doc

 

Scroll though to section 19. Proxy Voting. Fill in your details, sign and post to:

 

CPSA,

Edmonton House,

Bisley Camp,

Brookwood,

Woking, Surrey.

GU24 0NP

 

I have emailed the CPSA again to ask them if one of their board members is willing to be the Proxy Vote member and to supply their membership number. If I get these details, and I hope I do, I will post it here for your info.

 

Note, the link doesn't work in Firefox so you will have to use Internet Explorer (and yes, I did complain to them about this as well).

 

I also asked them to put a direct link to the form on the front page of their site. Why nobody had thought of that before I don't know.

 

 

regards,

 

 

/Madcowz

 

Ok,

 

Paul Rendell from CPSA says to use Phil Boakes (member number 9014) as our proxy contact.

 

 

 

/Mad

 

 

good work chap :blink:

 

will spread the word :blink:

[Highlander]

Personally I’d vote with your feet. If you shoot live quarry then you shouldn’t be supporting the CPSA anyway.

 

Funnily enough just as this latest batch of posts re the CPSA name change thing started I got a call from them to ask why after so many years I hadn’t renewed my membership…not bad considering I’d let it lapse in 2005. Gave them my two reasons…a) I hardly shoot clays at all nowadays and certainly not in competitions and because they don’t support live quarry shooting. The answer I got to that was ‘we support shotgun shooting’! over and over I was told the same thing but the question of live quarry shooting was dropped every time. Take it from me if shooting live quarry ever becomes the issue hunting was/is then the CPSA will have a plan to keep us all ‘shot gunning’ on ‘targets’ but support the shot gunning of live quarry…hell would freeze first!

 

The name change is a marketing issue supported by the PC brigade, don’t go there. Stand up for our sport, be counted and don’t let them dilute what we do. Oh and if you only ever join a shooting/country sports organisation for the ‘insurance’ shame on you. You should be more supportive of your passion!

[webber]

Highlander. very well said. I totally agree.

 

webber

[paulos]

why would they support live quarry shooting? they are the "clay pigeon shooting association" they are exactly what they say on the tin. clay pigeon shooting is an olympic sport that is carried out by both those who shoot live game and by those who dont. if they can get people involved in clay shooting then im happy. aside from the expense, i have no problem with the name change.

[tosspot]

i think the issue with the name change to most that i have spoken to about it is the kowtowing to the pc brigade

 

why the **** should an organisation such as the CPSA feel obligated to change its' name in case the lentil munching, unwashed moron types get the wrong impression

 

we is what we is, a majority of clay shooting in this country is in essence simulated game under the guise of a "Sporting" layout incorporating

driven pheasant

springing teal

crossing pigeon

looping crow

woodcock

rabbit

with a "kill" and "lost" scoring system or a no "bird" or "bird" lost

 

so like it says on the tin a sporting layout

 

add to that the needless expense which will run into £??, probably hence the over inflated membership increase

 

plus in all honesty virtually all clay shooters that i know personally, shoot game or vermin to varying deegrees

 

but as has already been stated, if you want to shoot on a regular competitive basis you have to be a member so walking out aint really an option

[Catamong]

tosspot,

 

I believe there is a "groundswell" of opinion against this proposed name change, let's hope that enough ordinary members like us take the time and trouble to either go to the AGM or use their proxy vote to scupper this daft proposal.

 

If you think about it, the only people likely to be in favour are those high up on the CPSA committee's, and there can't be more than a couple of hundered of them..??

 

That'll be one in the eye for the Beardie Weirdie Tree Hugging Brigade, and I'm sure the CPSA will then grant each member a rebate from the money saved by not making the change, (did you just see that pig fly past..??)

 

Cat

[paulos]

sporting is exactly that though "simulated" i love game and vermin shooting as well as my clay shooting. but i dont expect them to have a supportive stance on live quarry shooting. thats why im a member of basc, because thats what they are about. i wouldnt expect the FA to offer support to rugby teams, theyre kind of similar, they boths use a ball, run around a lot and a lot of football fans like rugby. its not what they do. we can complain all we like about the price hikes but i would be more upset if i found out that they were using that money to lobby the government about game shooting, when im paying them to promote clay sooting. i understand some peoples points on it but im still largely indifferent to the name change.

[pin]

Shooting, in any form, has few participants and many, many enemies.

 

Regardless of target or simulated target, I think bodies should stick together and unite as one voice.

 

Cowering away from the issues that matter in order to further political ambition is just that, cowering.

 

I thought the CPSA was an association, not a dictatorship. I think they need showing just who pays the wages

[Highlander]

 

paulos I think you miss the point...United we stand, Divided we fall. Field sports need to stand together for the common good and retention of our game/s. Whether or not you partake or agree with say fox hunting (with hounds) I believe it should be supported. With greater support from all maybe the pistol shooters and the fox hunters would still be enjoying their game. We're the next target, then the fishermen then the countryside in general. If we don't stand shoulder to shoulder the PC Namby Pamby brigade will do for us one sport at a time.

[Bagsy]

Bump,

 

Time to get those proxy votes in before time runs out. Anyone know which number has been given to the resolution for the name change yet?

[pin]

I've not seen the agenda yet, not on the website

[kdubya]

if the name change goes ahead I do up they change the name of their magazine, always get a shocked response when I go into wh smith and ask for a pull mag!

cheers KW

[Catamong]

Kdubya,

 

Good to see one of the "old timers" still posting, I think most sensible people don't want to see the name changed, as it's simply a case of pandering to the PC Brigade, who don't fit in to the Hunting, Shooting, Fishing scenario that we all know and love.

 

I hope that the Board of Management of the CPSA get a bloody nose over this one, and learn to listen a bit more to their grass roots members...??

 

Time will tell..!!

 

Cat.

[Jonsey]

I have a proxy vote form that has been agreed by CPSA HQ. I can email anyone a copy, PM me if you want one.

 

Don't forget you need 2 names of CPSA registered people willing to cast your vote. which means they must agree to attend the AGM you write their names and CPSA numbers on the form and the sign. HQ must have the forms 7 days before the AGM for your vote to count.

 

Also for the name change to carry, 75% of the votes must be 'For'

 

Jonsey

[pin]

When is "pull" due? I still don't see any sign of the agenda on the website, without which we can't vote by proxy.

[Lurch]

Paul Rendell from CPSA says to use Phil Boakes (member number 9014) as our proxy contact.

 

Isn't Boakes the knobhead who is proposing the idea in the first place? Can't see him rushing to cast a proxy against.

 

I had a notion to rejoin CPSA just to oppose this nonesense but I thought better of it. See Highlanders post for my reasons. These spineless weasels would sell out their mothers if they thought it would save their corner of the shooting world.

[Jonsey]

When is "pull" due? I still don't see any sign of the agenda on the website, without which we can't vote by proxy.

 

 

Hi Pin,

 

PULL! is due at the end of February and will have another article by Phil Boakes regarding the CPSA name change, this time however it will say how you can vote by proxy. Well that is what we have been told anyway

 

It's up to you all that are interested in voting by proxy to find someone that is going to the AGM so you can put their name on the form. You also need a second name in case the first person is ill etc and cannot attend on your behalf.

 

Jonsey

 

P.S If you proxy vote then the person named on your form must attend the AGM for your vote to count, if they don't turn up then your form filling will have been in vain.

[pin]

From the articles of association :-

 

15. Notice of General Meetings

a. Every Individual member shall receive not less than twenty-one [21] days written notice of the time, venue and agenda of all General Meetings.

b. Accidental omission to give notice of any meetings to, or non-receipt of such notice by, any member will not invalidate the proceedings at that meeting.

 

So, I would suspect they won't be rushing to publish the agenda on the website, and will probably just put it in pull tucked away somewhere.

 

According to the articles of association you only need one member to agree to act as proxy, though they do allow for a "backup". Since there is likely to be some desire to pass this one amongst the board it would be prudent that we all make sure we are squeaky clean when voting, if its close I am sure they will try and throw out any votes which are not made to the letter of the law..

[Jonsey]

From the articles of association :-

 

15. Notice of General Meetings

a. Every Individual member shall receive not less than twenty-one [21] days written notice of the time, venue and agenda of all General Meetings.

b. Accidental omission to give notice of any meetings to, or non-receipt of such notice by, any member will not invalidate the proceedings at that meeting.

 

So, I would suspect they won't be rushing to publish the agenda on the website, and will probably just put it in pull tucked away somewhere.

 

According to the articles of association you only need one member to agree to act as proxy, though they do allow for a "backup". Since there is likely to be some desire to pass this one amongst the board it would be prudent that we all make sure we are squeaky clean when voting, if its close I am sure they will try and throw out any votes which are not made to the letter of the law..

 

 

Yes Pin we must all make sure we vote in "squeaky clean" mode.

 

All members do receive 21 days written notice of the General Meeting, as each member received a copy of PULL! magazine, I suspect they use the magazine as such notice. If you are not a member you do not receive the magazine. It's all very cloak and dagger isn't it?

 

The agenda will just be the usual, confirm minutes of last meeting, election of new officers, secretary and treasurer report etc, all very generic and not really worth the paper.