old rooster Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 they will when they get a ship to it, reckon a day or two will see some of the "finds" determined parts of plane or not.ps gps only gives them the "where it was", wind and tidal current will move the debris many many miles a day KW Fully aware it will move many many miles in a day but it will move in a fairly predictable direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Fully aware it will move many many miles in a day but it will move in a fairly predictable direction. No, it is on the surface so it will go with the winds not the tides. Winds change as the low pressures cross the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wind and Tide move stuff miles from were they went in, Put a Ball in the Sea at SKEGGY, you will never see it again. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Wind and Tide move stuff miles from were they went in, Put a Ball in the Sea at SKEGGY, you will never see it again. . Put your Balls in the sea near the nuclear power station on our beach and they glow in the dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 No, it is on the surface so it will go with the winds not the tides. Winds change as the low pressures cross the area. Some of it is likely to be partly submerged so will be more influenced by tide than wind, depending on the magnitude of both of course. It is quite surprising how a bot will drift into the wind when the tide pushes it despite the majority of the boat being above the water surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 This search seems never ending. A week ago we were told that satellite images had revealed 'hundreds' of pieces of flotsam. How come not one of them has been recovered with nine ships now in the area? Not even mentioned now. The two 'things' that were picked up were not from the aircraft. Were the media just making up these reports? I still think there is a good chance that this aircraft will never be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 This search seems never ending. A week ago we were told that satellite images had revealed 'hundreds' of pieces of flotsam. How come not one of them has been recovered with nine ships now in the area? Not even mentioned now. The two 'things' that were picked up were not from the aircraft. Were the media just making up these reports? I still think there is a good chance that this aircraft will never be found. Your first statement is rather connected to your last! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Your first statement is rather connected to your last! Good point! Unless wreckage from the 'plane can be found and plotted back to where it 'probably' entered the water the search for the black boxes is extremely unlikely to succeed. The batteries of the pingers are almost flat by now and they only have a range of five miles or so. The searchers need some luck and that seems to be in short supply down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Good point! Unless wreckage from the 'plane can be found and plotted back to where it 'probably' entered the water the search for the black boxes is extremely unlikely to succeed. The batteries of the pingers are almost flat by now and they only have a range of five miles or so. The searchers need some luck and that seems to be in short supply down there. they got the air France boxes two years after their batts went flat, they will keep searching for them if it takes a decade. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Pretty strange that they can't pick up anything from the debris they have found in the air searches and logged the GPS positions of though?? Strange indeed ....One whale can hear another whale hundreds of miles away. We cannot hear a black box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 They knew where the air France plane crashed and recoverd parts within days. They are still none the wiser on this one and it's a massive area. I'm with grandalf, they may never find this plane. And even if they did I'm not sure they would tell the full story anyway. We may never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I find it odd that they have found nothing at all. There are plenty of bits which would float. Have to wonder if the plane made a controlled landing on water, and then just sunk whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Strange indeed ....One whale can hear another whale hundreds of miles away. We cannot hear a black box. Time to send in the Search Whales! Edited April 1, 2014 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I find it odd that they have found nothing at all. There are plenty of bits which would float. Have to wonder if the plane made a controlled landing on water, and then just sunk whole. If human hands landed it then where are the humans? A full scale evacuation of an aircraft of that size would strew flotsam all over the ocean. The auto pilot could not 'land' it on water - It might be possible to set it up in an approach configuration and descent angle that MIGHT be survivable but I think that's very unlikely considering the swell and waves on the seas down there. Would have to be completed before the fuel ran out. Crash/splash seems much more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 they got the air France boxes two years after their batts went flat, they will keep searching for them if it takes a decade. KW They found the wreckage by sonar - But they knew where to look. Even so, as you point out, it still took two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) its definitely a mystery Edited April 1, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) If human hands landed it then where are the humans? A full scale evacuation of an aircraft of that size would strew flotsam all over the ocean. The auto pilot could not 'land' it on water - It might be possible to set it up in an approach configuration and descent angle that MIGHT be survivable but I think that's very unlikely considering the swell and waves on the seas down there. Would have to be completed before the fuel ran out. Crash/splash seems much more likely. Here is a scenario (as wild as it may seem) - the flight was programmed to "land" in the middle of the ocean.. Might not have landed 100% intact, but in enough large pieces to just sink. If it broke up catastrophically on landing there would be alot of stuff floating about - life rafts, vests, seats, stuff in luggage, etc. I dont think they will give up looking though. It may take a while - but they will find it. As for the humans - hypoxia death? Edited April 1, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Did anyone notice that the last message from the plane was not correct -instead of "goodnight" it was "goodnight (or goodbye) Mh370", from the plane. It would be a good thing for everyone, not least the relatives, if any sign can be found quickly. I am thinking pilot suicide still. I wonder how long the blip was tracked or if its just the once they were able to 'guess' the direction ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Unconfirmed reports that Chinese ship has picked up 'pulse' on black box frequency. Area is a long way north of main search area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Unconfirmed reports that Chinese ship has picked up 'pulse' on black box frequency. Area is a long way north of main search area. Chinese satellite spots wreckage in Southern Ocean .... Chinese planes see flotsam in sea .... Chinese ships hear signals from plane ...... Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Now they are moving a Royal Navy ship into the area - That should sort out what's what. This ship is equipped for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Chinese satellite spots wreckage in Southern Ocean .... Chinese planes see flotsam in sea .... Chinese ships hear signals from plane ...... Hmm. It's not just me then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Aussies seem to have come up with something tangible at last. Next few hours should give a location providing the black box batteries keep working. Always provided that the signal received is from the aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 not sure why anybody expects to see wreckage, the plane that was flown into the side of the pentagon vaporised and left no trace whatsoever so by that logic its perfecty feesable that this one did the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 As a plane hits water the wings usually break off. They should float as the fuel tanks would be empty. If the wings break off 'things' will float out of the fuselage. Would be hundreds of miles away by now and dispersed over a wide area. If the tanks then filled with water they would sink miles away from the remainder. The area involved is truly vast. You cannot comprehend how large an area of nothing it is until you fly over it for several hours and see absolutely nothing but water and sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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