mossberg-operator Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Returning a Beretta tomorrow to someone, but will have to work as well. Would I be ok to leave the gun in my car's boot in our carpark (cctv, etc) and deliver it after work rather than going home and coming back with it? Is this a safe practice or not at all? Gun would have a trigger lock on it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Can you take some part of the gun - preferably the action with you in a bag - keep it near you at all times. If I were Mr P I would say even with a trigger lock, leaving a whole gun for several hours unsupervised is asking for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I would say that would meet the "all reasonable precaution" criteria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossygun Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Keep the fore end with you mate ,should be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Personally I would remove part of the gun forend for example and keep it seperate away from car so if car was stolen a whole firearm didn't go with it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Can't bring parts in to our building, it is against policy. So I'll ust drive home after work and come back, burning petrol, ruining the enviroment, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Can't bring parts in to our building, it is against policy. So I'll ust drive home after work and come back, burning petrol, ruining the enviroment, etc... How would they know? Are you a fireperson? There is no specific requirement but all reasonable precautions..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claycrasher Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Defo split it down mate, take some part of it with you into work. A set of barrels without the action is just a set of tubes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 How would they know? Are you a fireperson? There is no specific requirement but all reasonable precautions..... Can't tell. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Can't tell. Sorry. No worries remeber a thread sometime back about a station commander who wouldnt let them in the station wondered if it was you as i wondered what happened thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Could you not just pocket the forend or lock the forend in a someone else's car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I asked my feo about this some months ago. I asked if I could leave a gun in the boot of my car, locked and outside the front of the house at the farm. In no uncertain terms he told me no way! And if I ever did and the car was nicked or broken into and the gun taken, I would lose my fac/sgc permanently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil123 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 It's a good job that during the shooting season nobody goes straight to the pub after for food and drinks then...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 It's a good job that during the shooting season nobody goes straight to the pub after for food and drinks then...................... Don't you take your gun in with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil123 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I've never taken my gun in with me, to be honest never seen anybody take theirs in either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I've never taken my gun in with me, to be honest never seen anybody take theirs in eitherTake it in the pub they'll probably give you a free pint ;-) We used to in the shoot back home but that was a few years ago, not these days. Edited March 24, 2014 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonker Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 We always take ours into the Pub after our shoot. we've got our own little corner and tables for the 12 of us. I've only been in this particular shoot 3 years, it seems they have been doing it from the year dot. The locals don't take any notice at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 No worries remeber a thread sometime back about a station commander who wouldnt let them in the station wondered if it was you as i wondered what happened thats all Sometimes there are bag/locker searches. Can't risk it. Someone lost her job in the past because having something on her she shouldn't had. Matter is now sorted. Gun has been returned. Left it in my safe during the day, drove home after work and came back afterwards! Thx for advice from all of You guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Is that a forend in my pocket, or am I just pleased to see you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 These questions are open to interpretation as much firearms legislation has never been tested in court. The guidelines, which are all we and the police have to go on, are that all reasonable precautions must be taken to prevent unauthorised access to firearms. So you have to put yourself in the FEO's shoes. It is reasonable that a person carrying a firearm in a vehicle will need to stop for fuel or to eat. Locking the firearm out of sight within the vehicle, separate from ammunition and with part of its mechanism removed is considered all you can reasonably do to keep the gun secure in such circumstances. But ask yourself whether an FEO would consider it reasonable to lock a firearm in a vehicle all day to save an extra trip home in the evening to fetch it. If your car is stolen from a company car park at 11 o'clock in the morning while you are at work and had no reason to be in possession of a firearm, an FEO is going to want to know why the hell there was one sitting in your car. Leave the gun at home and go and fetch it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Id have left it in the car mate. It takes 30secs to steal a car/ break in etc. ask yourself: how many cars have been done in that car park especially with cctv etc? if the answers none then i wouldn't worry and before you all start shouting "theres always a first time" I'm very aware but just making a point. If it only takes 30secs then we shouldn't leave guns in cars for any length of time i.e.. walking around the farm, nipping in the shop, getting fuel, picking up a shooting buddy, shoot day lunch/ drinks etc. (and we're all guilty of doing it) especially during those times when we're dressed for shooting, sort of draws attention to fact that something 'interesting' is probably in the car. I drive 2hrs to work and 2hrs back, if i want to buy a gun from someone whilst at work and the only time they're available is 9.30am, am i supposed to drive 2hrs there, leave work and buy the gun, drive 2hrs home, lock it in the safe, drive 2hrs back to work and then drive 2hrs home at night??? I don't think so..... It stays in the boot! I was in a gun shop a few months ago, asked the chap if i could look at a browning 525, he unlocked it and gave it to me then went off and served another chap leaving me holding the browning and the whole gun rack unlocked! I was stood 2ft from the door which was open and my car parked (unlocked) right outside! How safe is that?! Its all about being as safe as 'practicable'. Think were all getting a bit too anal about some things! Edited March 25, 2014 by carpentermark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Car broken into and two shotguns stolen after a shoot locally to me. Its very rural but times are changing, not sure if the guys in question lost their certs but they would have had to attend court to prove they took reasonable precautions. I also know of an incident in the past in a more urban location during an after shoot lunch a gun was hidden under a false floor in a van, the guy kept his ticket but ended up in court. Ultimately if your guns are ever stolen this is the norm, there is no definition of "reasonable" hence the court must decide in each case and under different circumstances prevailing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Car broken into and two shotguns stolen after a shoot locally to me. Its very rural but times are changing, not sure if the guys in question lost their certs but they would have had to attend court to prove they took reasonable precautions. I also know of an incident in the past in a more urban location during an after shoot lunch a gun was hidden under a false floor in a van, the guy kept his ticket but ended up in court. Ultimately if your guns are ever stolen this is the norm, there is no definition of "reasonable" hence the court must decide in each case and under different circumstances prevailing. What happened with the real criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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