secret-squirrel Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hi lads . Basically I have a disco 1 200tdi. Fully standard apart from modular wheels and tyres Just brought a 2" lift kit (shocks and springs) The question is do I really need to change any other parts and how much has any one actually paid to have the same kit fitted And is there any one on here local to south notts that would be up for tackling the job ? Thanks SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I only run a series, but i would think it will be a straight forward job, just make sure your brake pipes will be long enough. I am sure the Disco boys will give you a full sp. good luck with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Pretty sure with just a 2" lift everything will be fine. Never done it myself but just going on what i have seen on other forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Cheers lads . Just need some one who's had it done or who can do it now to reply to see what ot will cost . Like I say iv got the parts . Well I think iv got what I need haha . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Hope you're lucky. Brake pipes, spring's & dampers. Fitted 2" to my 90, the steering then goes like a shopping trolley when it come to a roundabout. The back end skipping about, like someone was lifting the back wheel. You then need to correct the front axle by 1: Fitting correction arms £250 (not the right way to do it) 2: Remachine out the front swivels by 3 deg's (right way) Option 2 is the best way to do it. Then all your bushes will wear out quicker cos they are at the wrong angle. Ask yourself do you need the extra 2"? ??? The only time your going to need it is if you fit big tyres but then you'll have to do a camel cut on the arches. Edited June 10, 2014 by landy george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Without changing some major components, half shafts etc. you'll end up with a vehicle that isn't as strong as the original, doesn't handle as well and you might also invalidate your insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studley Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 What landygeorge said, brake lines will be out, bushes will knackered if you only change the lift and not the rest of the car to accommodate the changes. If it's just a toy that you use occasionally you haven't got much to lose. Land rover must have spend a pretty penny on r & d so I'm happy with standard, unless you're just doing mega off road days I'd personally leave it be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Just forgot, the diff will be at the wrong angle so you may get prop vibration. As studley said, land rover got it right when they made the defender so never changed it when they made the disco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 May I suggest that you would be better off asking here. http://forum.difflock.com/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=87ff04c6cf4a432c39fd0b14aadb4971 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Or here http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f38/thinking-lifting-your-landy-read-first-66840.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 Ive done plenty of lifts on Defenders but not on a Discovery, you dont need anything extra when lifting 2" on the Defender I would have thought the Discovery would be the same. Any higher and you will need to do modifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 cant see the point in a lift kit.............it is only necessary when you want 4 places to store mud......any 4 wheel drive vehicle is governed what terrain it will get thro and that is by the distance from the diff to the ground which can be increased by slighty bigger wheels sell your lift kit... and invest the money into off road tyres..........the lift kit makes the vehicle look fancy...but it dosnt do a lot of good to it proberly better off looking at altering the "travel distances" if you want better off road handling............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 O.k thanks for all the replies lads and I see what your all saying but I got this truck to do some pay and play days and some serious off roading iv bin driving round my mates farm for years and the "average green lane" just isn't cutting it . so I am looking to get some 285 75 16 (33") tyres this is the true reason for lift kit . Just picked up a mega winch bumper and 12500lbs winch and steering guard . I was out at the weekend and it bottomed out on both diffs . Bit I only have 29" tyres so I should gain another 2" ground clearance . Main question. Does any one know what some one will charge to fit it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 I'd say a 2" lift should be fine without having to change anything else, I lifted my old 110 by about 5" and the only thong I did was fit longer brake pipes. True enough the steering did feel different to a standard defender, but was still nice to drive, handled well and didn't wear anything out prematurely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorevans Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) My disco is fine with a 2" lift and 235 85 16 BF mud terrain. Bought extended brake hoses but never fitted them and it has seen some pretty serious off roading with no ill effects. The only thing I had to adjust we're the steering stops as the tyres rubbed the radius arms. It now has the turning circle of a ship. The bigger tyres do however really blunt acceleration and lower the top speed. Then again I have also removed the anti-roll bars so you need to be very brave to pull off any 'boy racer' type manoeuvres anyway. Did also have to cut the rear arches too. Are you sure 2" wil be adequate for 33" tyres?. The kit is easily fitted, did mine on a mates drive in about half a day, the only really essential 'special' tool needed will be spring compressors. Edited June 10, 2014 by Trevorevans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) My disco is fine with a 2" lift and 235 85 16 BF mud terrain. Bought extended brake hoses but never fitted them and it has seen some pretty serious off roading with no ill effects. The only thing I had to adjust we're the steering stops as the tyres rubbed the radius arms. It now has the turning circle if a ship. The bigger tyres do however really blunt acceleration and lower the top speed. Then again I have also removed the anti-roll bars so you need to be very brave to pull off any 'boy racer' type manoeuvres anyway. Did also have to cut the rear arches too. Are you sure 2" wil be adequate for 33" tyres?. The kit is easily fitted, did mine on a mates drive in about half a day, the only really essential 'special' tool needed will be spring compressors. Hmm looks like my plans may have changed . Iv just found out a friend of a friend has a disco . He's sent me some pics but I can't upload for some reason . I'm just going to say it as I see kinda thing . Basically he has a disco . He has 2 " longer shocks and 2" longer springs . He has then put 3" box section under the bottom of his springs . And it is now 5" lift . He has 285 70 16 . And it looks like a monster truck . He has done nothing else mod wise I.e polybush or h.d parts and has been off roading many times and he uses it as a daily driver . He says yes it handles slightly blomongy but I can live with that if it means I can get in some serious mud . Edited June 10, 2014 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 And you'll be breaking half shafts & diff's with 33" If your going to do something do it right. You're call............we gave you advise but your friend knows best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) My disco is fine with a 2" lift and 235 85 16 BF mud terrain. Bought extended brake hoses but never fitted them and it has seen some pretty serious off roading with no ill effects. The only thing I had to adjust we're the steering stops as the tyres rubbed the radius arms. It now has the turning circle of a ship. The bigger tyres do however really blunt acceleration and lower the top speed. Then again I have also removed the anti-roll bars so you need to be very brave to pull off any 'boy racer' type manoeuvres anyway. Did also have to cut the rear arches too. Are you sure 2" wil be adequate for 33" tyres?. The kit is easily fitted, did mine on a mates drive in about half a day, the only really essential 'special' tool needed will be spring compressors. Landygeorge. I never said he new best . Just said I now no some one who has done it . And nice one TREVOR . At least you have a disco and same kit . And you say no probs! I think I'll just stick to fitting the kit . And get some 31.8" tyres. Edited June 11, 2014 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 And you'll be breaking half shafts & diff's with 33" If your going to do something do it right. You're call............we gave you advise but your friend knows best. Why will he? My old 90 had 36" tyre and I used to tow a 3.5 ton trailer and never broke a half shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 You must have been lucky, towing & off road are 2 different things. Bigger tyres mean more leverage on the shafts. That's why Ashcrofts make harder shafts. If he's thinking of something with a big tread patteren like Simex thats then things can / will start going wrong with other parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) O.k well what if I start all this again . Here goes Got a standard disco 1 . All it's got is 235 70 16 insa turbo Sahara tyres on (will be selling soon). I went out at the weekend and got bottomed out on both diffs . I'm not about to try make myself sound like a pro or some sort of camel cup landy driver . just don't want this thread to turn into "learn how to drive "" Yes I am very compatent at off road driving and have been for years in old crappy non road legal trucks of all shapes and sizes on a mates farm And I don't mean grass fields I mean sludgy tractor ruts. steep hills, ditches, 4ft deep mud baths the lot. That's the joys of having a best mate with land and a big scrap bin hahaha . But unfortunately went to a pay and play in the disco and miss judged a small incline and slipped straight into some serious ruts . Tried to power out and thud beached on both diffs . So here's the problem . How can I get more ground clearance . Bigger tyres . But that's when you need lift Were do I go from here !!! Edited June 11, 2014 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 O.k well what if I start all this again . Here goes Got a standard disco 1 . All it's got is 235 70 16 insa turbo Sahara tyres on (will be selling soon). I went out at the weekend and got bottomed out on both diffs . I'm not about to try make myself sound like a pro or some sort of camel cup landy driver . just don't want this thread to turn into "learn how to drive "" Yes I am very compatent at off road driving and have been for years in old crappy non road legal trucks of all shapes and sizes on a mates farm And I don't mean grass fields I mean sludgy tractor ruts. steep hills, ditches, 4ft deep mud baths the lot. That's the joys of having a best mate with land and a big scrap bin hahaha . But unfortunately went to a pay and play in the disco and miss judged a small incline and slipped straight into some serious ruts . Tried to power out and thud beached on both diffs . So here's the problem . How can I get more ground clearance . Bigger tyres . But that's when you need lift Were do I go from here !!! Bigger tyres will help "UP TO A POINT".......beyond that point you need to start cutting grinding drilling welding ££££££££££ !! solution get a bloody big winch....and a compliant girl friend who will run the strop out in the mud and fix it to a tree whilst you sit in comfort in the cab smoking a fag and the winch remote in the other hand............ winching is fun....it gives you a sense of achievement its either that or go out and buy a Cat D9 with marsh tracks and put a green oval badge on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy george Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 A Defender lol. I'd get the biggest tyres you can fit in the arches or do a camel cut. +5" dampers (not lift) just dampers so the axles can drop down lower. That way if you do want to lift it later you MAY just need 2" springs if your lucky. Dyneema rope is a must & enjoy the mud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) Thanks to a absolute cracking p.w member " CERBERUS " I have just picked up a winch bumper sump guard and 12500lbs winch ! All because of the failed weekend outing . And to be honest the Mises is well up for off roading but I don't think she will be 2 impreseed ifni asked her to get wading threw the sludge to tie off to something !!!!!! Top idea tho DITCHMAN !!! . And inwish I could of afforded a defender ! I'm more than happy to start cutting the arches as to be honest I couldn't give a hoot what exterior looks like as long as engine and gearbox are good to me Edited June 11, 2014 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Thanks to a absolute cracking p.w member " CERBERUS " I have just picked up a winch bumper sump guard and 12500lbs winch ! All because of the failed weekend outing . And to be honest the Mises is well up for off roading but I don't think she will be 2 impreseed ifni asked her to get wading threw the sludge to tie off to something !!!!!! Top idea tho mate !!!! RESULT.........THE PW MASSIVE STRIKE AGAIN... job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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