Piebob Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 i'm with basc, on page 1 I think is the response I got from them stating it's my responsibility to get the medical report for them Ah, sorry. I hadn't gone back to that bit. Very disappointing to read BASCs response to you. And to answer their final question - it does't clarify anything in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I`m no expert, but but do you know if there are there any other people from the same area who did not have to go through these hoops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Reading through my NGO magazine it is stated that if any member feels they are being bullied into supplying and paying for a medical report they should refuse, and then request the name, collar number and job description of whomever is making the request, and then the NGO can make a formal complaint against that individual for harassment and for failing to follow statute and HO guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Reading through my NGO magazine it is stated that if any member feels they are being bullied into supplying and paying for a medical report they should refuse, and then request the name, collar number and job description of whomever is making the request, and then the NGO can make a formal complaint against that individual for harassment and for failing to follow statute and HO guidance. Maybe I should join NGO rather than SACS ? I have a few days to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Maybe I should join NGO rather than SACS ? Not knowing much about SACS I couldn't really say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 If all those who are going to give up shooting because they have to pay for a doctor's report could list what guns they are likely to be selling at the time as I am always looking for a bargain.now just get real people if the police want this it will happen as none of the organisations have enough clout to stop it.we are a minority get used to it and make the best of it.Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 WEll we might be a minority but myself I don't like to roll over when it comes to my rights. If that is your attitude then fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I am afraid that the applicant paying for a doctors report may be a first step, but very significant. In the public good - could one justify a psychological profile ? Perhaps it would be appropriate for 3 people to vouch for a shooter? Maybe limiting ammunition for field shooting would be appropriate - target shooters could perhaps only get their ammo at the range. Maybe a heavy safe with timelocks would make guns more secure. In my view every new restriction should be justified by the fact that it will improve safety - not might, and then we have to talk about who pays. I dont see medical reports improving safety or justified on the basis of saving lives and because it does neither, it should be refused, and neither BASC nor anyone else appears to be interested. Acceptance of every new restriction is death by a thousand cuts to shooting - we all have a role to safeguard the sport for future generations, not pathetically suggest I can pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 If all those who are going to give up shooting because they have to pay for a doctor's report could list what guns they are likely to be selling at the time as I am always looking for a bargain.now just get real people if the police want this it will happen as none of the organisations have enough clout to stop it.we are a minority get used to it and make the best of it.Atb Do you have any French DNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Perhaps when quite a few have given up their tickets rather than acquiesce to the police forces blustering for their budgets then ultimately they may find there is less need for their services towards public safety in respect of legally held firearms, possibly to the point of redundancies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I shall be moving from Lancashire to Merseyside in the not too distant future. I will look forward to my application for my shotgun certificate as I will also be changing G.P.'s. Could prove interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I am with Merseyside all be it Wirral side and a sgc/fac holder for 31yrs now and never been asked for a letter from my doctor, but, if I was to be asked I would expect to foot the bill for it as it's me requesting the sgc/fac in the first place. What if the average gp wants £25/35 for a letter so the firearms dept put the request/renewal up by said amount to everyone across the whole country just in case they feel the need to request it........sometimes it's better the devil you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I am with Merseyside all be it Wirral side and a sgc/fac holder for 31yrs now and never been asked for a letter from my doctor, but, if I was to be asked I would expect to foot the bill for it as it's me requesting the sgc/fac in the first place. What if the average gp wants £25/35 for a letter so the firearms dept put the request/renewal up by said amount to everyone across the whole country just in case they feel the need to request it........sometimes it's better the devil you know But an increase in fees is in the pipeline anyway,and then you will also have the extra to pay for your gp's letter because you accepted it and it became the norm,the devil has ways of making you pay twice for accepting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I am with Merseyside all be it Wirral side and a sgc/fac holder for 31yrs now and never been asked for a letter from my doctor, but, if I was to be asked I would expect to foot the bill for it as it's me requesting the sgc/fac in the first place. What if the average gp wants £25/35 for a letter so the firearms dept put the request/renewal up by said amount to everyone across the whole country just in case they feel the need to request it........sometimes it's better the devil you know Your 'firearms dept' can't put the 'request/renewal up by said amount' as it is not within their authority to do so. Your licensing authority and the Police are bound by the same laws and rules within firearms licensing legislation which bind us thankfully. When ACPO thrash out an increase in fees with the HO and relevant ministers (as mentioned above) the cost of the GP's medical report will not be included within this price unless a standard rate throughout the land can be decided on. Even then, police authorities will still be looking to make the compulsory GP's report part of HO policy, and licensing procedure, regardless of an applicants medical history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 It amazes me how so many FAC holders are of the opinion its OK for us to pay for police time spent on applications that are forced on us by our government, not by our wishes. I suspect most police time is spent on the lawless parts of society - including patrolling potential trouble spots, road traffic and accidents. Whilst it seems the lawless don't have to pay for their services, apart from speed safety camera fines - one of the most law abiding sections of society should pay, particularly when in consideration they are the least stressful people they are likely to encounter. They even get a nice walk in countryside sometimes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Do you have any French DNA possibly some italian also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) possibly some italian also Lots of Italian. And I shoot very well with all of them.But after all the willy waggling on here from all you hero's what are you going to do when it comes to renew time.the cost is going to rise make no mistake of that.and our organisations cannot stop it they have no real power.i as I have previously said I will pay the extra cost so as to be able to enjoy my sport for another five years.if a doctors report is required I will provide this also and pay so as to continue my sport.now it's easy to send an email to basic or cpsa and sit back and moan about them but that won't change things.so as some have said they will refuse to supply if you did this and then you had a couple of police officers at the door to take your guns as your crest had expired due to not supplying what would you do then tell them to go away..true you give them permission to ask your doctor for information about your medical records but I can't remember anywhere in the home office rules that say they cannot ask you for any further info. Edited August 17, 2014 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Do you have a problem with capital letters and spacings MICK or is it just part of your complex personality ? Once again I have a problem with your self interested posts and, to avoid problems I shall endeavour to be here less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Lots of Italian. And I shoot very well with all of them. But after all the willy waggling on here from all you hero's what are you going to do when it comes to renew time.the cost is going to rise make no mistake of that.and our organisations cannot stop it they have no real power.i as I have previously said I will pay the extra cost so as to be able to enjoy my sport for another five years.if a doctors report is required I will provide this also and pay so as to continue my sport.now it's easy to send an email to basic or cpsa and sit back and moan about them but that won't change things.so as some have said they will refuse to supply if you did this and then you had a couple of police officers at the door to take your guns as your crest had expired due to not supplying what would you do then tell them to go away..true you give them permission to ask your doctor for information about your medical records but I can't remember anywhere in the home office rules that say they cannot ask you for any further info. Your certificate will not expire,as if you had any sense you would have asked for a section 7,they have to revoke your certificate first before they come knocking,and then you can appeal and go to court,so far this has not happened because the police will back down from revoking because they do not have reasonable cause and they will lose in court,for the simple reason if they are concerned about your medical history they have your authority to approach your GP. Tell me Mick do you have good old LP's(records) if so are many of them cracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) .the cost is going to rise make no mistake of that. This is common knowledge; I don't remember anyone denying this. and our organisations cannot stop it they have no real power. Very true. I have been saying this for ages. All they can do is negotiate in the hope of compromise. i as I have previously said I will pay the extra cost so as to be able to enjoy my sport for another five years.if a doctors report is required I will provide this also and pay so as to continue my sport. That is entirely up to you. now it's easy to send an email to basic or cpsa and sit back and moan about them but that won't change things. Yes, very easy, but we pay our shooting organisations because they claim to represent us, and safeguard shooting, and we are therefore justified in having a 'moan' if we feel they aren't doing so. so as some have said they will refuse to supply if you did this and then you had a couple of police officers at the door to take your guns as your crest had expired due to not supplying As has been explained above, this cannot happen. If your application is returned within ther required time, then it is up to your licensing authority to grant before your current license expires or issue a S7. Further, the police cannot insist on an applicant complying to this request. In the absence of any other reason to refuse to grant, the licensing authority and your chief constable has no option other than to grant . They cannot do otherwise. To suggest that a couple of rozzers are going to come calling to ask why you haven't complied with something which isn't required by legislation in the licensing process is frankly, a bit ridiculous. what would you do then tell them to go away.. They wouldn't be there in the first place for the reasons given above. true you give them permission to ask your doctor for information about your medical records but I can't remember anywhere in the home office rules that say they cannot ask you for any further info. Very true, but that is all they can do...ask. An applicant is only obliged to complete the application as required by that form, and nothing more. Sorry for the messy reply; edited it twice as not all my replies printed red for some reason, and on re-posting they still haven't! Edited August 17, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Do you have a problem with capital letters and spacings MICK or is it just part of your complex personality ? Once again I have a problem with your self interested posts and, to avoid problems I shall endeavour to be here less.[/quote I have no problem with capitals.I fail to see what you mean by self interested post I simply said what I would do as others have said what they would do.so are we all just posting self interested posts.you included.I notice still that all the posts criticising me not one has put forward a decent suggestion as to how these wrongs in some forces can be put right.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Your certificate will not expire,as if you had any sense you would have asked for a section 7,they have to revoke your certificate first before they come knocking,and then you can appeal and go to court,so far this has not happened because the police will back down from revoking because they do not have reasonable cause and they will lose in court,for the simple reason if they are concerned about your medical history they have your authority to approach your GP. Tell me Mick do you have good old LP's(records) if so are many of them cracked. So as you say none of this can happen.so why all the hysteria on here about it.if your force asks tell them no and everything will be fine.no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Do you have a problem with capital letters and spacings MICK or is it just part of your complex personality ? Once again I have a problem with your self interested posts and, to avoid problems I shall endeavour to be here less.[/quote I have no problem with capitals.I fail to see what you mean by self interested post I simply said what I would do as others have said what they would do.so are we all just posting self interested posts.you included.I notice still that all the posts criticising me not one has put forward a decent suggestion as to how these wrongs in some forces can be put right.atb QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 So as you say none of this can happen.so why all the hysteria on here about it.if your force asks tell them no and everything will be fine.no problems. There you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 QED. When I attended university qed was an abbreviation used on completion of a mathematics problem.how times have changed. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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