propercartridges Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 its true when you get a farmer ring you having trouble with a fox at lambs so you go out with all your own gear rounds you have made the field craft watching waiting the shot and hopefully the kill so its the same with shotgun I mean if you take and priced your time you woulnt do it by any cost no I think the name is satisfaction but there has to be a little help on data ect that's all done either that or run the risk of hurting yourself by the way my carts at 169 is direct there is no room in the trade for any profit that is to the bone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Here we go the trolls have started Deershooter I think you are be a little unfair their the point was you can only compare like for like and George has not put any fibre wad cartridge prices on the forum or his web site so how can you say George would make them cheaper? It looks to me the idea of the kits was to encourge more people to reload, by offering them a kit of components they know will go together and give a quality cartridge with some savings over the typical cartridges we find in the local shop. e.g Cheapest 28gm #6 fibre I can find listed on JC is Fiocchi at £214 so by my calculations with the kit at £175 then a saving of £39 is possible, try saving that in you local gun shop. Oh I thought proper carts were fiber as people only used fibre for game/ pigeon etc shooting. Most who care about leaving litter do shoot fibre. Edited August 10, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 righty ho chaps ok so there is demand out there who is game enough to buy the following in fibre 1 ton of lead I have 6s at the moment will make a pallet of approx. 35714 carts in 28 gram now if its a sold order I will work cheaper but it has to be a sold order with the sight of some money what is a good price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 It would be if it were cheaper might as well get George to make them for you Deershooter Here we go the trolls have started Deershooter Oh Mr Happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Having just got into reloading, I think the idea of the kits is a brilliant idea. A newbie can get all the goodies in one hit and know they will fit in the hull. I know from experience, how infuriatingly frustrating it is to get bits here and bits there. Finally when it comes to the point, the thing don't work properly. Cookoff helped me a lot and I am grateful for his time and patience. This could have been avoided from the start. At the start of a reloading "career" newbies need guiding through the intricacies of the reloading world a lot. These kits will help develop confidence in the reloader before they begin to develop their own loads. I would not expect them to be used by the very experienced reloader as they are more experienced and can select their own components easily, but they are ideal for the beginner. For me, personally, it's not so much a question of saving money as I am only working on 28grm clay loads at the moment but I will eventually move onto 32grm pigeon loads, once I have gained experience (and used up my stock of 32grm pigeon carts). I am looking forward to developing my skill but don't lose sight of the fact for one minute, that I am dealing with an explosive mix of components, so slowly, slowly, catchy monkey. Yes we are saving a small amount but that is secondary to the enjoyment. After all, that's why we go shooting. Edited August 10, 2014 by Uncle Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Reloading kits have been around ever since cartridges were made When you have purchased your press and don't have a clue and let's agree we all didn't at the start ! Buy 50 cartridges felt or plastic Shoot 25 Strip the other 25 you now have the perfect amount of components to reload 25 shells the wad will be right as will the powder and shot all you have to do is set the crimp In future buy the same wad and a similar powder use the same cases same weight of shot and you are well on the way .Do this with 65-67-70 mm cases document what you find you will make up your own data base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Oh Mr Happy Oh yes the disabled hating turbo 33 starts again ,not satisfied after having your wrists slapped last time now you try and attack me without the reference to being disabled I am so pleased I don't have to spend a nano second with you Just get a life Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Deershooter Taking cartridges to bits to identify the components may not be the way to go for a beginner, lots of powders look the same for example A1 and A1 SP also you need to be experienced enough to know which manufactures use which make of powder, which primer etc. I think it was george who recently posted correctly stating you need an HSE licence to disassemble explovise articles including even the humble cartridge. So it may not be a good idea to encourage the practise on an open forum. Any idea e.g. kit, that encourages more re loaders must be a good idea as we will all benefit then in the long term with more choice and may be lower prices. Edited August 11, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Oh yes the disabled hating turbo 33 starts again ,not satisfied after having your wrists slapped last time now you try and attack me without the reference to being disabled I am so pleased I don't have to spend a nano second with you Just get a life Deershooter Deershooter, I have not had my "Wrists slapped" and I have never referred or remarked on your physical disability. So either you are trying to portray me as someone I'm not, or you have me confused with someone else. My post above was because yet again, you jumped onto a good heads up with a negative post 2. Then by post 22, you accused a member of being a troll. It is simply not necessary to flick around the forum disrupting threads and throwing accusations at people, with absolutely no foundation. If you truly want to be grumpy and pick a fight with someone, then that is up to you. But please would you do it somewhere other than PW> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 i still think its a great idea. worst case scenario, is a guy buys the stuff, doesnt like it, then finishes reloading the kit, then hes done. but the best case scenario, guy reloads, has fun. isnt that the goal? fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie092 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 i still think its a great idea. worst case scenario, is a guy buys the stuff, doesnt like it, then finishes reloading the kit, then hes done. but the best case scenario, guy reloads, has fun. isnt that the goal? fun? Good post and exactly how I am looking at it. Living not too far from FES (40 miles) I think I might but the fibre package and make a start on my reloading with it. From a confidence standpoint alone I think it is a great place to start. For a relatively small outlay I can buy a set of components I know should "work" if I do my part properly. The only thing I might change just for my first time is to buy the hulls too then further down the line I will only be adding one variable (used hulls) to the equation at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Good post and exactly how I am looking at it. Living not too far from FES (40 miles) I think I might but the fibre package and make a start on my reloading with it. From a confidence standpoint alone I think it is a great place to start. For a relatively small outlay I can buy a set of components I know should "work" if I do my part properly. The only thing I might change just for my first time is to buy the hulls too then further down the line I will only be adding one variable (used hulls) to the equation at a time. That's a very good move . Used hulls stretch and the "mouth" gets deformed. Different makes of hull/loads give varying degrees of stretch, playing havoc with crimps. I'm with Cooke on this, its a great idea, and whilst you won't save a fortune, it will help avoid wasting money trying to fix a problem and get you loading a good shell from the off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Good post and exactly how I am looking at it. Living not too far from FES (40 miles) I think I might but the fibre package and make a start on my reloading with it. From a confidence standpoint alone I think it is a great place to start. For a relatively small outlay I can buy a set of components I know should "work" if I do my part properly. The only thing I might change just for my first time is to buy the hulls too then further down the line I will only be adding one variable (used hulls) to the equation at a time. i bought 2k of hulls from john last time, i think i got a good deal. as hulls are expensive, buy just 500, use them twice. (ok, with this approach you can only have 500 reloaded shells on hand, but there is still nothing stopping you getting some empties together in the meantime.) now the only other info for this system is what bushing / speed you use...as we should all be checking powder drops ... Edited August 11, 2014 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie092 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Good idea with the 500 I wouldn't shoot all them in one go anyway. I dare say I would do 50, go and shoot them then if OK do the rest as and when I get a quiet moment. As for the other details I would cover them off with when I visit to purchase hopefully, I have heard the guys down there are very helpful/knowledgeable and of course rumor has it that there a re a couple of very helpful reloaders on this very forum who don't mind answering Q's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 For me its wasting money, but in the past I bought just under 1k worth of loading gear,the better part of £500 in proofing, and about that again in components. Is it fun? Hell yeah. Is it worth it? I dunno. My one goal is to help any one reload. Its not the answer for everyone. At one point ammo was so expensive, I could make 1000 shells, buy a new mec and burn £20 and I'd still be quids in! Depends on what you do, Its not even worth my buying a MEC for others they need a full automatic system. If I want training blanks, some smaller .410 stuff for inside buildings, No 2 10 ga steel when all I can get off the shelf is BB or BBB etc. handloads can for fill my need. Not being cocky about the money side I can see to many its a big motivator and it would be to me if I shot many hundreds a season but I just dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy trigger Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 just bought 1000 28 gram fibre wad Cheddite T2's for £170, ok they are 71/2's (english 7's) but good kills up to 35 -40 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) just bought 1000 28 gram fibre wad Cheddite T2's for £170, ok they are 71/2's (english 7's) but good kills up to 35 -40 yds Great price for english #7 fibre cartridges. where from? I use #7 shot quite a lot in the 28ga and as you say kills fine, if I put in the correct place. Keeping to the subject then, it's looks like it is the #6.5 and #6 fibre cartridges kits which may have the most appeal. Edit - Just found the Chedditte importers Malmo Guns web site they list the dealers sadly none down south so hence not found them in the shops. Edited August 11, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think kits like this are great to get started. I keep looking at reloading. But I'd want to reload for 28bore and 12 bore steel wildfowl carts in 3" & 3 1/2". Unless I shot high volumes it would never work out for me. Two different reloading machines or keep swapping bits over. Then getting the load and speed you want. Great fun just to time consuming for me at the moment. I will dip my toe in the water in future when a reloading set up comes up near me too good to pass up. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think kits like this are great to get started. I keep looking at reloading. But I'd want to reload for 28bore and 12 bore steel wildfowl carts in 3" & 3 1/2". Unless I shot high volumes it would never work out for me. Two different reloading machines or keep swapping bits over. Then getting the load and speed you want. Great fun just to time consuming for me at the moment. I will dip my toe in the water in future when a reloading set up comes up near me too good to pass up. Figgy There is a lot of money to be saved with loading for the 28g and there is some cracking loads out there like wise with the 12g 3 and 3-1/2" steel loads. There is only one thing wrong with reloading its too bloody addictive I think the kits are a good way into reloading for people to begin with or someone who just wants to have a bash at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 +1 28gauge Great to reload, easy to save money but the best part about it is flexability, some #9 or #8 shot for clays and #7 or #6.5 for the game. Which is also true for any gauge you just make what you want when you want as you need them in fibre (or plastic), no need to keep a 1000 for clays a 1000 for pigeon and a 1000 for game, That's reloading, very rewarding and enjoyable addition to the actual shooting - I get pleasure from both and it brings a smile to your face shooting your own brand of cartidges. Provided you are the sort of person that enjoys messing about in the man shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 there is no feeling like what you get when your killing pigeons game or shoot a straight with your cartridges made with your own hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 She dont see enough of me now with work and self building, shooting,beating Wildfowling . If I started reloading then testing them. Think the Mrs would flip and ask what load to shoot me with In a year or so I'll have more time and will deffinately look at having a go. I'm picky with carts as I want soft and smooth with speed, not easy but the 28 bore seem like this with every cart I've tried. Love the sound of number 8 & 9 shot for clays. When I looked at the costings it didn't save any money unless I bought many thousands of the needed components. I shoot about five hundred a year through it but more this year. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 there is no feeling like what you get when your killing pigeons game or shoot a straight with your cartridges made with your own hands that's why I built a factory 150 feet by 50 feet and stuffed it full of the latest loading equipment available and ballistic equipment available to day 4 machines and doing 12000 per hour a box of 25 coming of every 5.5 seconds using I ton of lead every three hours yes its addictive very addictive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 that's why I built a factory 150 feet by 50 feet and stuffed it full of the latest loading equipment available and ballistic equipment available to day 4 machines and doing 12000 per hour a box of 25 coming of every 5.5 seconds using I ton of lead every three hours yes its addictive very addictive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 that's why I built a factory 150 feet by 50 feet and stuffed it full of the latest loading equipment available and ballistic equipment available to day 4 machines and doing 12000 per hour a box of 25 coming of every 5.5 seconds using I ton of lead every three hours yes its addictive very addictive lmao steady away then i keep wanting to extend my man cave garage but the wife wants anew kitchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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