Hatcher Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Hi guys, I bought a 525 from new approx. 4 months ago. I've kept it in good nick, but have put around 1000 carts through it so far. I've been cleaning it after almost every outing, both inside and out but just recently I have started seeing dark marks developing around the metal parts of the gun. This is my first gun so forgive me if this is a common thing which normally happens or if it's a serious issue such as rust and it needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets worse. I've given each of these marks a good scrub, but unfortunately to no avail. Any sort of advice on what it is/how to get rid of it would be most appreciated. These are the photos of the marks: Here on the pin (forgive the lack of a specific name ) ATB Hatcher Edited August 11, 2014 by Hatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I don't know what oils you are using but I would suggest your problem may be damp in the gun cabinet or possibly your gun bag that needs to be sorted out . It could also be contamination in you cleaning clothes so again try changing them . Marks like these need to be tackled as soon as possible to prevent permanent damage , this may be beyond the scope of the "owner" so I suggest you take advice from a professional . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I have these marks on a gun I bought second hand. Have tried everything but haven't been able to shift them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecash Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 have you spoken to who you purchased it from? under warranty is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatcher Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 It would be under warranty yes, but i'm not sure if they would just look at it and laugh me out of the room if i try to claim the warranty on it. It's not affecting the performance of the gun at all, but it's just making it look ugly. If this is 4 months down the line i'd hate to know what it would be like in 4 years time. ATB, Hatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraivi Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Definitely looks like corrosion, caused in most cases by humidity and damp but in this case I reckon sweaty hands,....... its location on the forend supports this. On your barrel blocks, the lubricant is easily rubbed off, especially on a tight new action and this leaves yhe metals exposed to atmospheric humidity and also the corrosive effects of human skin secretions. Get yourself an oil with better residual action, a light coat after cleaning, and perhaps a silica gel bag for your cabinet. Don't worry about the marks, your gunsmith ought to clean them off with a bit of polish, dont leave it too long or it may eventually cause mild surface pitting. Edited August 11, 2014 by wraivi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 A bit of brasso will shift them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne13 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 my mate had this problem with his miroku. talking to the lads one night in pub this lad said we can sort it. I work in a jewellers s shop and we can clean it up. we clean gold,silver,titanium,diamonds etc that's easy.took the photos of gun damage to the shop and they can do it. the jeweller did it to a treat brilliant job. he said a lot of metal polishers contain bleach but don't tell you put some on a piece of stainless steel and watch it stain it.From the photos around that pin as you describe it it is black,look to your right and that engraving that looks like a Spanish fan follow the circle round and you can see black build up on engraving. the jeweller said shotgun engraving these days is very good and sometimes in deep engraving you get a build up of grime and muck if not cleaned properly. You do not have to pay over the odds to have a shotgun metal work cleaned. Sorted my mates gun out brilliant. Do not walk into a jewellers shop with a shotgun in a slip, doors will lock. staff will leg it,shutters will come down, and you will be surrounded by armed response police. And will need a new change of underpants. no expert myself in shooting but can hold my own. don't like to see fellow shooters ripped off by rfd when there is alternatives. Cost him 40 quid but he said he would get that back by a trade in or private sale looks great. I MAY get people not agreeing with me on this issue but it worked for my mate. There isn't only a gunsmith that can clean a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatcher Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Definitely looks like corrosion, caused in most cases by humidity and damp but in this case I reckon sweaty hands,....... its location on the forend supports this. On your barrel blocks, the lubricant is easily rubbed off, especially on a tight new action and this leaves yhe metals exposed to atmospheric humidity and also the corrosive effects of human skin secretions. Get yourself an oil with better residual action, a light coat after cleaning, and perhaps a silica gel bag for your cabinet. Don't worry about the marks, your gunsmith ought to clean them off with a bit of polish, dont leave it too long or it may eventually cause mild surface pitting. The trouble is I am cleaning the gun very thoroughly each time. I use Napier gun cleaner and lube as well as the super clean rolls. I've just bought a silica gel bag for my cabinet, hopefully that'll give me some results. You wouldn't happen to have an idea of the cost of such polishing if I was to take it to a gunsmith would you? ATB Hatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraivi Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I only recommended a gunsmith as your gun is 4 months old and still under warranty. .. as such any unauthorised alterations or something similar that could be construed as tampering could void the warranty. It's only a 30 minute job at the most on your gun mate, in my opinion, they should do it free, to keep a happy customer. 30 quid is more than enough if they charge. All I can advise In future is to wipe down the metal with a lightly oiled lint free cloth after handling, to leave a thin film over the metal. Dont over do it or it could seep into the wood/metal joints and weaken the wood over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Wipe down and leave a thin film of oil on the metal. Looks like the metal hasn't been finished properly in the factory, sure they have some sort of coating applied to the base metal. Otherwise you would watch it rust in damp conditions. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 The very last things that should contact any metal surface before storage is a very lightly oiled cloth. Fingers and hands should never be the last thing! Yep, a final wipe with a silicone impregnated cloth (regularly replaced) before the gun goes in the cabinet is as good as anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blasterjudd Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Autosol (Halfords sell it) may shift it as it works on most metals and good at cleaning up and shining most metals. I've shined some actions with it did a lovely job but as long as you go easy to begin with and test a small area first? But as you have a fairly new gun it would pay to check it out first with the shop where it was purchased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 If my gun was 4 mths old and was like that it would be be straight back to where you bought it from...the hinge pin dosnt look if it was cleaned before it was pressed in...the other steel staining looks more like pitting on poor quality steel............dont mess with it otherwise you will void the warranty.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatcher Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I've just returned from taking it to the shop where i bought it. They assured me that it was normal and was generally attributed to sweaty hands, they mentioned that I just always keep the gun well oiled when I put it into the cabinet (which is what i felt i was doing in the first place) The guy who works there took some fine wire wool/sandpaper pad thing and went over it for a couple of mins and it seemed to come off slightly, so I might just buy some of that wool and spend a while on it, see what miracles i can attempt to perform. Other than this, I really don't know what else to do. I appreciate the advice so far, so thank you. Also if anybody has any experience with this fine wire wool/sandpaper i'd be grateful to know where to get some. ATB Hatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Speaking professionally I don't like the sound of that .He should have taken the wood off before doing anything and lacquered it when he'd finished brushing and cleaning .Do not use abrasive pads as these can leave faint surface scouring's that will attract dirt and could lead lead to rusting .The gun needs to be stripped polished and lacquered properly and that is not an "RFD trying to rip you off " its what needs doing .Would you put up with the same thing if you had bought a new car and the paint started going discoloured? I think not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatcher Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 That's ridiculous, surely if it needs that work then the shop would've realised that it was an uncommon problem and tried to sort it, especially if it's only 4 months old? Part of me is thinking that this should be a common problem, but the lack of posts on here about similar issues tells me otherwise. Trouble is I don't want to continuously have to fix this issue. I'd rather do something to nip it in the bud, and prevent it from happening full stop. I feel like a second opinion may be in order from a gunsmith. Gunman, you mentioned about the fact that he should've taken the wood off and lacquered it etc.. But there was no work to be done to the wood, it seemed to just me specific parts of metal on the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Speak to browning uk, tell them your experience at the dealer and his use of wire wool and sand paper/ probably very fine emery cloth. Let them sort it. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 My view is to be a bit more relaxed about it. Lacquer will inevitably wear off, and guns will (for most people anyway) eventually get a bit discoloured - the result of worn lacquer, handling with sweaty hands, wet days, trips in the sleeve in the car home when damp etc. Being careful certainly slows the process, but our guns are working tools - and as such you should look after them as well as you can, but you should also expect that 'fair wear and tear' will happen - just as even 'best grade' guns loose their lovely colour hardening with usage. Its the 'patina' developing! Whether this is fair wear and tear for the relative newness of the gun is a different issue, but the first marks are always the most obvious. I strongly resist the use of wirewool, 'wet and dry' and any other abrasive on any of my guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I use auto glym metal polish, it's really good, nice smooth paste. I used it on my brand new beretta and in my opinion it looks better now than it did when I picked it up of the rfd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I meant that the person working on your gun should have removed the wood before any polishing was done so as to avoid any marks ,scuffs .Lacquering before putting the wood back on . Edited August 13, 2014 by Gunman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecash Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) If those marks don't polish out easily the "metal" will be from a duff pour. It appears from the pic that the marks appear to be on the barrel side of the action and not the receiver. Any gunsmith worth his salt should recognise duff metal on a 4 month old gun straight away. Edited August 15, 2014 by joecash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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