victorismyhero Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hmmm...dunno if this is in the right thread but here goes I have been "advised" (by an RFD, NOT, surprisingly an FEO) that my best course of action prior to applying for an FAC (already have SGC), is to find someone to "show me the ropes", as regards safe shots/backstops and such like. (I have spent a fair while considering these things and when out on my perm regualrly assess how and where would I take a shot with a firearm). NOW the question is....is there anyone out there A) willing to do such a thing and B) willing/daft enough to actually say (in a letter to the FEO) that they have indeed done such a thing? is it even polite to ask such a question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 First off, this is not a legal requirement. But, it is perfectly polite to ask and eminently sensible to do so. I'm sure that if there's anyone local they'd be willing to help. As a bonus, you might just also get some good info on which choice of rifle/ammo to go for regarding whichever calibre you have in mind - should it be a centrefire, then it's likely that your FEO might just have a similar input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 What are you going to apply for? Do you use a air rifle already? So have a rough idea to start with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 We do seem to be forced to jump through hoops at the whim of the feo who makes up his own rules outside of the law. The ex head of the firearms unit in my area told me to tell the feo to ****** off if he demanded I go on a course etc to be able to hunt with a .243 I didn't have the halls to though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I am on the.mobil what area you i mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 OP where are you I'd happily take you out on your permission and the range to show that you've spent the time to understand the risks to minimise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hmmm...dunno if this is in the right thread but here goes I have been "advised" (by an RFD, NOT, surprisingly an FEO) that my best course of action prior to applying for an FAC (already have SGC), is to find someone to "show me the ropes", as regards safe shots/backstops and such like. (I have spent a fair while considering these things and when out on my perm regualrly assess how and where would I take a shot with a firearm). NOW the question is....is there anyone out there A) willing to do such a thing and B) willing/daft enough to actually say (in a letter to the FEO) that they have indeed done such a thing? is it even polite to ask such a question Ask him to put it in writing and highlight the " show me the ropes" section from the guide lines. Then no one can be wrong.... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOLLSEYES Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 He says in his post RFD has advised him and not FEO.RFD is talking rubbish.Just go ahead and apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 He says in his post RFD has advised him and not FEO.RFD is talking rubbish.Just go ahead and apply. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Edwards Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 As it's been said many a time, it depends on the police force, and often the opinion of the FEO. My force was happy to grant centerfire on first attempt, given my experience and firearms knowledge which I had revised. Whereas my friends in a neighbouring county were given mentoring conditions on their centerfire applications, regardless of experience, and even if they had held a rimfire for some years. You could try getting a letter from someone, and presenting it to the FEO on your visit, but I'd just apply for it, and see what they say in the interview. It may be informal and unwritten "procedure" for some forces to give mentoring conditions to new applicants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Nothing to stop anyone applying with out ever having seen a rifle but I can understand why it put the FEO at easy if they have an understanding of their use and the potential risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Where in the country are you OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 thanks for the replies everyone...I'm in cheshire. I do shoot with sub12 daystate mk4, and when using it apply what I think are the same requirements as for a CF. with adequate backstops suitable even for a howitzer (even though I KNOW the pellet isnt going to go very far!!!!!!!) the point of that excercise being that when I DO graduate to something with a bit more poke the thinking about things is already there... The permission needs clearing , it was last cleared a while back for .17HMR and 22RF (so I am informed by cheshire police) what I WOULD like to get is for .17HMR .22 and .223 (I have foxes to deal with) Also, whilst a bit of a puzzle for me... my thinking is that .223 with frangible rounds (I.E varmint grenades) seems and I do say seems, to be "safer" in as much as there is sod all chance of richochet with the varmint grenade, unlike the .22LR <<<shrugs>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 my thinking is that .223 with frangible rounds (I.E varmint grenades) seems and I do say seems, to be "safer" in as much as there is sod all chance of richochet with the varmint grenade, unlike the .22LR <<<shrugs>>> You'd be wrong any bullet can and do ricochet, it's been don't to death lots of people don't know they've bounced a high velocity round as the noise of the round hinds it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yep welshwarrior is right. All rounds can ricochet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I was under the impression frangible rounds were non lead and turn to powder on impact hence why it can be shot inches away from steel and why the military use them in training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 these ... http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/components/rifle/varmint-grenade/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 You're a bit of a drive, but not awful, if you want you can come and do some 'zeroing' and potentially some pest control. Pm me if you think I can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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