bigbird Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) Soo, I sold a wee well bred just started young springer bitch a couple of months ago to a chap. I checked up on her and was assured that all was going fine. A couple of days ago I got a message on FB saying 'I'm selling this *dog's name* dog, can you give me my money back?' Well two months is a long time and I know we don't have to but we are having her back. Turns out she won't go into cover unless he throws something in ( ) which is obviously a no no although she hunted up and crashed through cover brilliantly on tennis balls etc here. She'd also taken to legging it to his pickup and refusing to come out, I'm thinking she's had too much pressure. She's been in a kennel for the last month, I'm totally gutted, poor little sausage, wish we'd have known earlier. Ah well. Some time off for her when she returns and try and see what I can do with her to bring her around. If she comes back in a state I'm going to hit the roof :( Just goes to show, one size doesn't fit all I guess. Edited September 15, 2014 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The wrong man had the right dog. I am sure that she will recover given time and coaxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 It could be that he wanted a tool not a dog. Not every dog will perform like a robot and that's what some of them want. There's not many dogs that want to head for the vehicle against a trip outside. The only time mine want to get in a vehicle is on the outward journey. Sometimes I think expectations of the dog are too high. Wanting them to be ready too quickly without putting the time in and then being harsh with them when it all goes pear shaped. Hope she is OK and will settle well when you get her back, with not too much damage done to her initial training and temperament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 My aim is to get her ready to test next year and take it slowly with her. She's a talented little thing, I only let her go as I thought she'd be more suited to a one to one home and owner than with the hustle and bustle here. I'm secretly quite glad she's coming home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 perhaps time to review your vetting procedure? far better to be stuck with one dog too many than to have one back that's been beasted (which is exactly how it sounds especially with such a wording on a facebook message). The dog simply has to learn the point of why going in cover is worthwhile and the going back to the truck shows how moronic some are in their methods of encouragement better off without a dog, problem is he probably thinks its the dog. I don't know how good the dog is but with those results you need it back pronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) perhaps time to review your vetting procedure? far better to be stuck with one dog too many than to have one back that's been beasted (which is exactly how it sounds especially with such a wording on a facebook message). The dog simply has to learn the point of why going in cover is worthwhile and the going back to the truck shows how moronic some are in their methods of encouragement better off without a dog, problem is he probably thinks its the dog. I don't know how good the dog is but with those results you need it back pronto He does think it's the dog lol. To be fair he came across as a gentle lad, I watched him with the dog when he came to see her and was happy with his mannerisms etc. I think he's just very very novice and because the dog's a clever one he doesn't have the experience to out think her or give her reasons to do things. Oh! Sorry! I blocked out her name with the ****, it wasn't a swear word, my mistake. Edited September 15, 2014 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Now you know that I suppose you can put it down as a learning experience, goes to show how one might misread a post or mis word one doesn't it just Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Sure does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michufc Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Why couldn't the person who brought the dog seek professional help in what he was doing wrong with the dog that way he would of had a really smart dog and he would of learnt where he had gone wrong. No dog comes with a instruction manual and controls And scaring the dog to death is not the answer such a shame he found sanctuary in the back of the truck rather than out in the field I wish you all the best with the dog and I am sure with patience he will come right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I don't know He had already had a spaniel and worked it I think but I don't think it was a highly strung trialling bred one like the one he had from me. If people are interested I'll do a new thread when she comes back detailing her progress? (fingers crossed!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Bigbird I would be interested to see what happens to the dog when you get it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Will look forward to hearing more about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazbev Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yes will be interesting to see what has to be done .... or undone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michufc Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Bigbird I would be interested to see what happens to the dog when you get it back. Me too good luck with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The persons first stop should have been go back to bigbird and seek more advice and if she could not help I know she would know quite a few who could. I would try every avenue before returning the dog. As for asking for money back well that's a bit cheeky but I would give them it to save the dog a life of misery. Clearly they had no idea what they wanted and how to treat the dog. If it heads back to the vehicle something serious has happened somewhere along the line. I'm sure within a few days it will be sat with its feet up on the leather sofa reading the gundog section of shooting times with a glass of sloe gin to hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Why would you all assume its the young man fault, maybe the dog lacks a little bit of metal nothing new there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's a terrible feeling eh Ally, fair play to you giving the guy his money back (I know it's not about the money, but still!) and I'm sure she'll come back around let's hope there's no lasting damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Why would you all assume its the young man fault, maybe the dog lacks a little bit of metal nothing new there. Fair point E.w but the dog's a good one, a little soft but that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's a terrible feeling eh Ally, fair play to you giving the guy his money back (I know it's not about the money, but still!) and I'm sure she'll come back around let's hope there's no lasting damage It is, isn't it Paul. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Fair point E.w but the dog's a good one, a little soft but that's all. Cant agree personally, some just need a different approach or starting a tad or even a lot later or just plain bringing on different. It happens with Foxhounds, terriers even sheepdogs gundogs are certainly no exception. If the guy is a "one trick pony" more fool him because some of the very best appear sensitive and slow starters. I will bet if you get that dog out on some good ground and let it have a good few chases on bunnies and you will soon end up struggling to steady it up again and keep it out of cover, its probably over ready for some fun anyhow after the experiences that made it run to the truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Indeed, plenty of dogging in to do Al so when you feels she's right give her a go Which reminds me we need some styles erecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'll tell Steve lol! Yeh I reckon dogging in should bring her out of herself, as far as she'll know it'll just be a nice walk Cant agree personally, some just need a different approach or starting a tad or even a lot later or just plain bringing on different. It happens with Foxhounds, terriers even sheepdogs gundogs are certainly no exception. If the guy is a "one trick pony" more fool him because some of the very best appear sensitive and slow starters. I will bet if you get that dog out on some good ground and let it have a good few chases on bunnies and you will soon end up struggling to steady it up again and keep it out of cover, its probably over ready for some fun anyhow after the experiences that made it run to the truck Fun is what she'll be having don't you worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Fair point E.w but the dog's a good one, a little soft but that's all. If you haven't got the dog back yet, when you pick it up play a little daft with the chap see if he lets on to what he's been doing with her it's a great way to find out what sins have taken place with the young dog. Give it a go you might just surprise yourself anyway the very best to you and hope all comes good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 If you haven't got the dog back yet, when you pick it up play a little daft with the chap see if he lets on to what he's been doing with her it's a great way to find out what sins have taken place with the young dog. Give it a go you might just surprise yourself anyway the very best to you and hope all comes good.What do you mean 'play a little daft'......... Only kidding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 If you haven't got the dog back yet, when you pick it up play a little daft with the chap see if he lets on to what he's been doing with her it's a great way to find out what sins have taken place with the young dog. Give it a go you might just surprise yourself anyway the very best to you and hope all comes good. Good idea, that certainly comes easily to me as Paul says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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