foosa Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's new glass time for the .243, used only as a stalking rifle. I'm looking at getting a 8x56 schmidt but I've never actually looked through one so was just wondering if anyone can think of a reason not to get said scope? Any thing else about for similar money that is just as good or better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's new glass time for the .243, used only as a stalking rifle. I'm looking at getting a 8x56 schmidt but I've never actually looked through one so was just wondering if anyone can think of a reason not to get said scope? Any thing else about for similar money that is just as good or better? S&B for me, I have S&B in 3x12x50 and Zeis 3x12x50 and the S&B is better. Reggiegun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) S&B for me, I have S&B in 3x12x50 and Zeis 3x12x50 and the S&B is better. Reggiegun That's the make of the spectacles he uses, ha ha ha and he still blames the scopes when he misses. Haha, Swarovski for me as soon as funds/ wife allow , the ones reggie has are bang on clear as day, Atb Flynny Edited October 5, 2014 by flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 That's the make of the spectacles he uses, ha ha ha and he still blames the scopes when he misses. Haha, Swarovski for me as soon as funds/ wife allow , the ones reggie has are bang on clear as day, Atb Flynny Swarovski interest free on Utting's, wife need never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtaylor Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Perfect scope for stalking. I've a S&B 8x56 on my .243 and it is very nice and clear, much much better than the Hawke, Nikko Sterling, etc. Might be worth having a look through a few at a gun shop before you buy. My uncle has a Swarovski and a S&B and he say there is not much in it, except easily twice the price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I had an S&B 8x56 on my 243 for a while and "upgraded" to a Zeiss 3-12x50. Mostly I wish I had kept the S&B. I would get a fine reticule, can't remember what mine was but it was a bit heavy for long (for me) range foxes under the lamp. Fantastic stalking scope and the light gathering capability at dawn and dusk is amongst the best (30mm tube). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I've got an 8x6 Klassik on my .243. Superb bit of glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I've one on my 243 it's spot on. Only issue I can possible see is if you can't mount it low enough to get a good check weld on the comb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 the only reason is sometimes 8x is a little more than required, tested side by side with a 6x42 myself and a staking partner once agreed no difference in light transmission its all about if you want the extra mag and if you ok with the extra heft. You don't need more than 8x for stalking deer for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yep that's decided it, 8 x 56 s&b it is then, seen a few places with offers on at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yep that's decided it, 8 x 56 s&b it is then, seen a few places with offers on at the moment. If you get a chance take a look at meopta scopes... I've had S&B but have swapped to meopta...just another angle to look at... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 the only reason is sometimes 8x is a little more than required, tested side by side with a 6x42 myself and a staking partner once agreed no difference in light transmission its all about if you want the extra mag and if you ok with the extra heft. You don't need more than 8x for stalking deer for sure You sure about that Kent? I've got a 6x42 Swarovski scope and can safely say the light gathering capability is nothing like as good as the 8x56 S&B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 If you get a chance take a look at meopta scopes... I've had S&B but have swapped to meopta...just another angle to look at...just had a look at their website and they have a good range, what model Meopta do you have? What's it like in low light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 You sure about that Kent? I've got a 6x42 Swarovski scope and can safely say the light gathering capability is nothing like as good as the 8x56 S&B. Well that's different glass, though I rate Swarovski highly I have never done a side by side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 just had a look at their website and they have a good range, what model Meopta do you have? What's it like in low light? Meopta use the same glass (or at least they did) coating might well make a difference and of course internals are different. I don't know what you have to do to get a S+Bender to loose its zero, hit it with a hammer perhaps but it will need a good thump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 just had a look at their website and they have a good range, what model Meopta do you have? What's it like in low light? I use a 3-9x50 on my 243 I use it for everything..low light it's as good as S&B no issues at all....well worth the money and if you decide to do a little Lamping the 3-9x50 gives you the extra range, a 8x56 is a good scope but if you look at a fox at 150 yards under the lamp it looks awfully small were as something with a bit more mag will cover you for all eventualities...just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I use a 3-9x50 on my 243 I use it for everything..low light it's as good as S&B no issues at all....well worth the money and if you decide to do a little Lamping the 3-9x50 gives you the extra range, a 8x56 is a good scope but if you look at a fox at 150 yards under the lamp it looks awfully small were as something with a bit more mag will cover you for all eventualities...just my opinion. Effectively if you take 8x against you 9x it appears a whole 15 yards nearer, dunno about anyone else but I cant call range at night to within 15 yards either way of 150 yards. The eye soon learns if your using the same mag over and over again, its especially hard if you have been doing a lot of target shooting and practice at 30x to drop down to the 6,7 or 8x level. Yet effectively 8x is eight times nearer than the naked eye 150 / 8 = 18.75 yards. now who cant take aim at a fox at 18 yards with open sights? indeed I think we have forgotten a lot over the last twenty years 150 /4 = 37.5 and this should effectively be fine for roe and foxes out to 150 yards and 4x was for many, many years the magnification of choice. Its hard to forget about what the salesmen and advertising tries to tell us and put things in some perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'll chuck in a 3-12×50 Swarovski Z4i for your inspection. Have a look jf you ever get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yep that's decided it, 8 x 56 s&b it is then, seen a few places with offers on at the moment. what places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Effectively if you take 8x against you 9x it appears a whole 15 yards nearer, dunno about anyone else but I cant call range at night to within 15 yards either way of 150 yards. The eye soon learns if your using the same mag over and over again, its especially hard if you have been doing a lot of target shooting and practice at 30x to drop down to the 6,7 or 8x level. Yet effectively 8x is eight times nearer than the naked eye 150 / 8 = 18.75 yards. now who cant take aim at a fox at 18 yards with open sights? indeed I think we have forgotten a lot over the last twenty years 150 /4 = 37.5 and this should effectively be fine for roe and foxes out to 150 yards and 4x was for many, many years the magnification of choice. Its hard to forget about what the salesmen and advertising tries to tell us and put things in some perspective I here what your saying Kent but it's just my choice..I feel more comfortable with a 3-9x50 than I do with. 8X56 and I've had both.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soother223 Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Sportsman knocking them out at 499 I believe. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Sportsman knocking them out at 499 I believe. .yep already seen them and reserved one for pick up next week. I have 2 foxing setups with high mag variable Zeiss on them so the s&b will be a 100% stalking scope,low light dusk/dawn performance was my main concern in a no nonsense, good quality scope. I think 8x is plenty for deer work and the Hungarian 8x56 at under £500 new is just the ticket:) many thanks for sharing your views, helped up my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 yep already seen them and reserved one for pick up next week. I have 2 foxing setups with high mag variable Zeiss on them so the s&b will be a 100% stalking scope,low light dusk/dawn performance was my main concern in a no nonsense, good quality scope. I think 8x is plenty for deer work and the Hungarian 8x56 at under £500 new is just the ticket:) many thanks for sharing your views, helped up my mind. keep it long enough and likelihood is it will loose nothing. I have a 6x42 and a 3-12x50 S+ Bender and both are worth more second hand now than a paid new. Out of the two the only one I might one day sell is the 3-12 as I have shot more with it on 3X than I have at 12x and I don't think I have shot a deer above about 8x with it, I can remember only one very distant fox taken at 12x (and I have had the thing on a gun for approx. 10 yrs or greater) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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