poontang Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 In case you hadn’t all noticed the country is doing rather well at the moment, Inflation Low, Interest rates low and stable, property value increasing, exports & manufacturing similarly, car sales at a 4 year high, unemployment falling. I know that we have a coalition currently but it’s not the Lib Dem faction of this which has delivered it. Why upset the apple cart and risk reversal of this by electing politicians whose main political aim, however you look at it is to keep Africans, Arabs, Asians and Eastern Europeans out of the country and then alienate us from the rest of Europe whilst hiding under a veil of white partisan supremacy. Now that's just a typical Tory response Michael. It's not all about economics...and that's where you, and most Tory boys get it so wrong every time. Now, in case you hadn't noticed there was a strike by NHS workers yesterday, the first in over 30 years. And why? Because they want a 1% across the board pay rise. Not 11% like MP's just one single percent. Not a lot to ask is it? Well apparently it is. Apparently, according to the government if they were to give a 1% pay rise it would cost £300m and as many as 15,000 nurses would have to be laid off to pay for it. Now I know £300m is a lot of money, but it pales into insignificance when put against the £50 BILLION the government have earmarked for the HS2 project. Now you have to ask yourself where your priorities lie. Do they lie with the nurses, midwives, paramedics and other ancillary staff of the NHS, or do they lie with big business intent on shaving a few minutes off a train journey? You see, as a big supporter of UKIP, my priorities lie with the former, as I would think do those of most other decent people. Oh, and as an aside I spent a couple of days last week pounding the streets of Clacton, and I can quite happily report I didn't meet a single white supremacist. I did however meet some very miserable Tory's...which made it all the more worthwhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sorry, Poontang but you are being a bit of an Old-school politician with the use of those numbers - or worse a pub politician that sees a Sun headline and instantly knows the full story and the common sense solution. As you know the strike is over the fact that half the staff, who already have a 3% pay rise. won't get an extra 1% that is being awarded to those that don't have professional development rises. I'm not saying they're not worth it or we can't afford it, I'm just saying is spouting simplistic messages and half truths is an old political trick and one UKIP supporters are supposedly heartily sick of....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Now that's just a typical Tory response Michael. It's not all about economics...and that's where you, and most Tory boys get it so wrong every time. Now, in case you hadn't noticed there was a strike by NHS workers yesterday, the first in over 30 years. And why? Because they want a 1% across the board pay rise. Not 11% like MP's just one single percent. Not a lot to ask is it? Well apparently it is. Apparently, according to the government if they were to give a 1% pay rise it would cost £300m and as many as 15,000 nurses would have to be laid off to pay for it. Now I know £300m is a lot of money, but it pales into insignificance when put against the £50 BILLION the government have earmarked for the HS2 project. Now you have to ask yourself where your priorities lie. Do they lie with the nurses, midwives, paramedics and other ancillary staff of the NHS, or do they lie with big business intent on shaving a few minutes off a train journey? You see, as a big supporter of UKIP, my priorities lie with the former, as I would think do those of most other decent people. Oh, and as an aside I spent a couple of days last week pounding the streets of Clacton, and I can quite happily report I didn't meet a single white supremacist. I did however meet some very miserable Tory's...which made it all the more worthwhile Au contraire Rodney of course its all about economics... people vote with their pockets and always will. When it comes to the crunch UKIP will do well in the areas of high unemployment, high benefit and predominately working class because they will be all promised a continuation and jam tomorrow. The majority of the populace, employed, secure and dare I say it reasonably affluent wont risk a downturn in the Countries fortunes by voting UKIP just to stem immigration. They will see through that old chestnut and are only concerned with themselves and that sadly is the truth of the matter. Personally I think HS2 is a magnificent project and will be a major environmental benefit. I do agree the NHS workers should get a significant payrise though...I could then charge my Physiotherapist daughter even more rent. Why on earth were you pounding the streets of Clacton for two days ..selling the big issue??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Why on earth were you pounding the streets of Clacton for two days ..selling the big issue??? Nah, Handing out tissues to inconsolable Tory boys. I think they call it care in the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Nah, Handing out tissues to inconsolable Tory boys. I think they call it care in the community. Or biscuits for the private school Torys? Edited October 14, 2014 by FalconFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Personally I think HS2 is a magnificent project and will be a major environmental benefit. Really? HS2 is nothing but an environmental and economical disaster waiting to happen. How on earth can you claim it is going to have environmental benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Personally I think HS2 is a magnificent project and will be a major environmental benefit. Really? HS2 is nothing but an environmental and economical disaster waiting to happen. How on earth can you claim it is going to have environmental benefit? If it only reduces half of the estimated 9 million saved road journeys per year it will be of immense environmental benefit..let alone air travel....think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 whilst at the same time forcing practices that I find deviant to be accepted as normality on society KW Please, do elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 If it only reduces half of the estimated 9 million saved road journeys per year it will be of immense environmental benefit..let alone air travel....think about it. No, it doesn't as the same as our current rail infrastructure people will drive in preference to catching the train. It is cutting through massive swathes of green belt, farmland and causing people to have homes compulsory purchased. Natural England are at crisis point trying to process the sheer number of mitigation licences for protected species that will need to be translocated/mitigated for which often does not work. It is purely so the rich don't have to travel with the proles. Anyone with any sense would have put the money to upgrading what we already have in place. And you call UKIP supporters deluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 simplistic messages and half truths is an old political trick and one UKIP supporters are supposedly heartily sick of....... but they accept that from ukip?? Please, do elaborate? it will be a long list sure you got the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 How amusing it is watching all of the other party leaders dancing to Nigel’s tune in a vain attempt at political syncopation with what is UKIP’s populist party rhetoric that is so in tune with a large majority of the electorate. How large? Well that remains to be seen but it most certainly appears to have the established political order shaking their rattles in earnest! I do not find this amusing. I find it pathetic and tragic. Farce's 'party' has brought politics down to concentrating on issues that mainly concern the lowest denominator (by far NOT the majority of the electorate as you suggest), instead of making politicians answer questions that are really important such as the economy, education, health and environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) I do not find this amusing. I find it pathetic and tragic. Farce's 'party' has brought politics down to concentrating on issues that mainly concern the lowest denominator (by far NOT the majority of the electorate as you suggest), instead of making politicians answer questions that are really important such as the economy, education, health and environment. Let's think about your reply. So the majority of the populace are not worried about immigration etc, but by the crucial aspects of economy, education, health and environment? Well I have news for you - education (class size plus the large number of English 2nd language school kids), - health (the NHS is being stretched to the limit by non contributors to the system such as unregistered immigrants) and the environment (ever heard of the increasing populace bringing about crash house building schemes?) is just what most of us are worried about. The Cons, Labs and such have done absolutely nothing to address the above, when it was obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse. I would suggest that most voters are well aware of the potential failings of UKIP, but hey, they surely cannot be worse than the existing bunch of elitist, expenses grabbers and back slappers that have made such a mess of all that you point out in the past 20 years. Edited October 15, 2014 by Dead-Eyed Duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 "Here comes the new boss, just like the old boss! Won't get fooled again!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 What country do some of you people live in? In my country there are foodbanks opening at a rate of 2 a week because people cant afford to feed themselves. Is it a case of you thinking the country is doing well because you are doing well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) "Here comes the new boss, just like the old boss! Won't get fooled again!" No, here comes the new boss who replaces the old bosses who made the mess that we are left with. And if nothing else, then at least the old bosses will see that they will have to listen in future as to why they have been kicked out of their jobs with their gold plated pensions, unlimited expenses and diamond encrusted soap boxes.... A healthy dose of cynicism is absolutely right, but we all need a kick up the pants now and again. Edited October 15, 2014 by Dead-Eyed Duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Handing out tissues to inconsolable Tory boys. I think they call it care in the community. ....That made me lafffffffffffffffffff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Dead-eyed Duck - couple of decent, on the money, posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 What country do some of you people live in? In my country there are foodbanks opening at a rate of 2 a week because people cant afford to feed themselves. Is it a case of you thinking the country is doing well because you are doing well? Spot on, It's a case of "I'm all right Jack" for too many of a small loaded elite and a few selfish people who have probably forgotten where they came from! The absolute panic about UKIP is astounding because it's a real threat and they know it and can't stop it despite massive efforts. Around here services are failing, but that's ok because the well off don't use them!! We have a parachuted in career politician of an MP, Oxbridge educated * Matthew Hancock who is really only interested in his career! He's so well covered even his recent homophobic "re Tweet" has disappeared! We also have local politicians ignoring thier local issues to blindly follow "The party" (Tory around here) Now as for "a vote for UKIP blah blah" How about this? If The Tories are that worried about Labour getting in via the back door, step aside for UKIP!! * By the way I don't have a problem with educated people. I do have a problem with The Old Boys Club!!! Dropping their buddies into safe seats! Rock on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I do not find this amusing. I find it pathetic and tragic. Farce's 'party' has brought politics down to concentrating on issues that mainly concern the lowest denominator (by far NOT the majority of the electorate as you suggest), instead of making politicians answer questions that are really important such as the economy, education, health and environment. And guess which party is telling the “lowest common denominator”, i.e. the electorate that it knows the root cause of the problem in the areas that you mention and how they are going to begin fixing it? Guess what, ‘we are all ears’! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Proportional representation? Isn’t that what we have now ? The majority proportion is represented in government. ? All proportional representation will do is provide a succession of coalition governments with no overall majority. Is that what you really want…to wander through life in political vacuum with Cameron, & Milliband plus 33.3% of someone else all stretching the dough in a different direction. Far better surely to vote for one of the primary political parties with tangible and meaningful policies rather than a protest vote for a secondary party and dilute the power of the electorate to actually form a stable majority Government. In case you hadn’t all noticed the country is doing rather well at the moment, Inflation Low, Interest rates low and stable, property value increasing, exports & manufacturing similarly, car sales at a 4 year high, unemployment falling. I know that we have a coalition currently but it’s not the Lib Dem faction of this which has delivered it. Why upset the apple cart and risk reversal of this by electing politicians whose main political aim, however you look at it is to keep Africans, Arabs, Asians and Eastern Europeans out of the country and then alienate us from the rest of Europe whilst hiding under a veil of white partisan supremacy. Well put! Try France or other eurozone countries for comparison. Even Germany is now stalling. Watching a programme about high court sheriffs recently ( can't pay we will take it away) manyof the house reposessions seem to have been caused by the partner walking away and leaving the poor woman in deep doo doo. I would suggest that the many years of undermining the family unit by our left leaning friends has helped towards this. I don't care if that family is same sex or otherwise as long as the children feel loved and well cared for. It was heartbreaking to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Spot on, It's a case of "I'm all right Jack" for too many of a small loaded elite and a few selfish people who have probably forgotten where they came from! The absolute panic about UKIP is astounding because it's a real threat and they know it and can't stop it despite massive efforts. Around here services are failing, but that's ok because the well off don't use them!! We have a parachuted in career politician of an MP, Oxbridge educated * Matthew Hancock who is really only interested in his career! He's so well covered even his recent homophobic "re Tweet" has disappeared! We also have local politicians ignoring thier local issues to blindly follow "The party" (Tory around here) Now as for "a vote for UKIP blah blah" How about this? If The Tories are that worried about Labour getting in via the back door, step aside for UKIP!! * By the way I don't have a problem with educated people. I do have a problem with The Old Boys Club!!! Dropping their buddies into safe seats! Rock on!!! Let's see them protect this lovely chap! http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/15/lord-freud-minimum-wage_n_5988374.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 No, it doesn't as the same as our current rail infrastructure people will drive in preference to catching the train. It is cutting through massive swathes of green belt, farmland and causing people to have homes compulsory purchased. Natural England are at crisis point trying to process the sheer number of mitigation licences for protected species that will need to be translocated/mitigated for which often does not work. It is purely so the rich don't have to travel with the proles. Anyone with any sense would have put the money to upgrading what we already have in place. And you call UKIP supporters deluded It's not even that, it's political willy waving, "look how big and fast mine is" They claim it will create thousands of jobs in Leeds. They have calculated this by using the manhours saved and converting them into working days/weeks....... 20, 000 jobs according to teh website. The money would be better spent improving local infrastructure and building a few new roads. Leeds, in the 48 ( on saturday) years i have been around, has decreased road capacity into the city rather than increased it,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Lord Freud and James Scott (the Tory Councillor) should get out of politics. They are nothing less than a disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I do not find this amusing. I find it pathetic and tragic. Farce's 'party' has brought politics down to concentrating on issues that mainly concern the lowest denominator (by far NOT the majority of the electorate as you suggest), instead of making politicians answer questions that are really important such as the economy, education, health and environment. come on sunshine please explain "lowest denominator" KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 come on sunshine please explain "lowest denominator" KW IIRC there's a question for you to answer above too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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