Harry136 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Recently a very large fox has been trying to attack my cat. Would it be possible for me to shoot the fox on my own private property ? I would of course inform the police and my neighbours, i am intending to shoot the fox from an elevated location with a shotgun. Any help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Frankly, I wouldn't even think about it. The reasons why not are legion but the one that sticks out is the probable loss of your SGC. Dependent upon the nature of the "residential area" a LR used by someone with an open licence from said location would be the better option......but even then? A trap may be better or better yet if you know how it's getting onto your property, 'fence' it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 They are very interesting creatures .....I'd try to feed it and maybe it will leave your cat alone. Who knows, they might become friends eventually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 A trap sounds like a better idea. Where do i get rid of a dead fox though, would the normal bin suffice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Yup. Shotguns are very loud. Expect lots of complaints, armed police in the area, considerable grief, etc, etc. If you can, then I'd suggest a cage trap, and a friend with either a moderated 410, or a 22LR and subsonics. Regarding disposal, a wheelie bin, or sling it under a hedgerow outside of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Thanks for the advice, i should of mentioned that i was going to use a moderated .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Cagetrap and .410. Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Thanks for the advice, i should of mentioned that i was going to use a moderated .410. If you do that, then most people will not even realise what's going on. just ensure the cage is in a discreet location regards being overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 If you do that, then most people will not even realise what's going on. just ensure the cage is in a discreet location regards being overlooked. I think the OP meant that he was going to shoot the fox from the elevated location using, we're now told, the moderated 410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Hi fella, if you are going to continue with the shooting idea (not my favourite), the chaps here will be able to give you much more advice if you can show a picture of the back garden including the backstop and a nice picture of the .410 would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I think the OP meant that he was going to shoot the fox from the elevated location using, we're now told, the moderated 410. A moderated 410, (presumably) with subsonic shells. Not exactly what I would use for an elevated shot on a fox, far too great a chance of wounding a fox at anything but the closest of ranges. And if that happens, then with the surrounding environment, he isn't in any realistic position to track and dispatch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 My thought on your dilemma would be this, you are in my opinion unlikely to kill said fox with one shot at the given range with your weapon and ammunition of choice therefore the fox is likely to escape wounded into an adjacent property the owners upon discovering the wounded animal are almost certain to call the RSPCA and/or the Police and then your fox predicament will diminish to become the very least of your problems. ‘Happy Hunting’! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Recently a very large fox has been trying to attack my cat. Would it be possible for me to shoot the fox on my own private property ? I would of course inform the police and my neighbours, i am intending to shoot the fox from an elevated location with a shotgun. Any help? a 22 would be a better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 a 22 would be a better A cage trap even better ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun sam Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Snare it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 A cage trap even better ;-) until you catch the neighbours cat or his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yup. Shotguns are very loud. Expect lots of complaints, armed police in the area, considerable grief, etc, etc. If you can, then I'd suggest a cage trap, and a friend with either a moderated 410, or a 22LR and subsonics. Regarding disposal, a wheelie bin, or sling it under a hedgerow outside of town. So are all the 1000's of mega fireworks the masses have been letting off for the past week....no one does a hoot about that... Some of those bangs are off the scale compared to a 12 bore round. .22 might not be conditioned to shoot a fox or he might not have a fac...also .22 will travel a long way if he misses... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) A trap sounds like a better idea. Where do i get rid of a dead fox though, would the normal bin suffice? I'd use next doors bin - foxes stink. Edited November 9, 2014 by Les*1066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 So are all the 1000's of mega fireworks the masses have been letting off for the past week....no one does a hoot about that... Some of those bangs are off the scale compared to a 12 bore round. .22 might not be conditioned to shoot a fox or he might not have a fac...also .22 will travel a long way if he misses... TEH If you have a 22LR for pest/vermin control, and the police say that you need to get it 'conditioned' for fox, then please ask them to put that fact in writing. In addition, my post involved dispatch of a fox in a cage trap If you can, then I'd suggest a cage trap, and a friend with either a moderated 410, or a 22LR and subsonics I'd be very disappointed if any FAC holder was capable of missing a fox in a cage trap, at a range of considerably less than 3 feet. The Home Office document says this (section 13.25) : .22 rimfires are generally considered as having insufficient muzzle energy to be used against foxes in most circumstances. However, these could be suitable for use at short range by experienced persons, and may be permitted in certain situations such as around farm buildings and paddocks. It is for the operator to ensure that the quarry species are shot at the appropriate range with the appropriate ammunition to ensure a humane kill. Note : all bold highlighting by myself. So if a person has an 'open' FAC (which they'd need to have to come round to dispatch the cage-caught fox), then it is entirely their call as to whether or not it is a 'safe' shot, and as to whether it will ensure a humane kill. By virtue of having an 'open' FAC, they are deemed to be an 'experienced person' and would be complying with the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 If you have a 22LR for pest/vermin control, and the police say that you need to get it 'conditioned' for fox, then please ask them to put that fact in writing. In addition, my post involved dispatch of a fox in a cage trap I'd be very disappointed if any FAC holder was capable of missing a fox in a cage trap, at a range of considerably less than 3 feet. The Home Office document says this (section 13.25) : .22 rimfires are generally considered as having insufficient muzzle energy to be used against foxes in most circumstances. However, these could be suitable for use at short range by experienced persons, and may be permitted in certain situations such as around farm buildings and paddocks. It is for the operator to ensure that the quarry species are shot at the appropriate range with the appropriate ammunition to ensure a humane kill. Note : all bold highlighting by myself. So if a person has an 'open' FAC (which they'd need to have to come round to dispatch the cage-caught fox), then it is entirely their call as to whether or not it is a 'safe' shot, and as to whether it will ensure a humane kill. By virtue of having an 'open' FAC, they are deemed to be an 'experienced person' and would be complying with the law. What no fireworks....................lol.....oh come on just a little sparkler... Are you going to write the next chapter of War and Piece............. There is no such thing as an open ticket as all fac's have a condition attached to them....when you find one with out then put that in writing.......... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you have a 22LR for pest/vermin control, and the police say that you need to get it 'conditioned' for fox, then please ask them to put that fact in writing. In addition, my post involved dispatch of a fox in a cage trap I'd be very disappointed if any FAC holder was capable of missing a fox in a cage trap, at a range of considerably less than 3 feet. The Home Office document says this (section 13.25) : .22 rimfires are generally considered as having insufficient muzzle energy to be used against foxes in most circumstances. However, these could be suitable for use at short range by experienced persons, and may be permitted in certain situations such as around farm buildings and paddocks. It is for the operator to ensure that the quarry species are shot at the appropriate range with the appropriate ammunition to ensure a humane kill. Note : all bold highlighting by myself. So if a person has an 'open' FAC (which they'd need to have to come round to dispatch the cage-caught fox), then it is entirely their call as to whether or not it is a 'safe' shot, and as to whether it will ensure a humane kill. By virtue of having an 'open' FAC, they are deemed to be an 'experienced person' and would be complying with the law. There is no written explanation of what 'experienced person' actually means from the writers. This could be misconstrued and in court could be argued on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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