scotslad Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Must admit i'm with a few others on here have beat and picked up on a lot of different shoots from the north of Eng up to highlands of Scotland, and never heard of birds being dumped. Even when u speak to other beaters/pickers up that go to other shoots u still never hear any stories first hand. Any tme u do hear a rumour its usually a mates mate down the pub said or some article like this. We have probably gave it more airtime than it got on the original site!! The 1 exception to this was 1 estate had to br some early season partridge as they came down with something so had just finished medication and had to have a withdrawl period to be fit for hunam consumption. Before any new roumors start about shooters 'clipping birds wings' If it is done it is done at release time, usually 6 weeks and u can only clip the immature feathers, so the more advanced birds can't be clipped if have started to moult and have blood quills. If birds were clipped i would seriously doubt they made it till the shooting season and u would have some very fat foxes and badgers on ur shoot. Wether u like/agree with the more commercial days is ur personal opinion. But they are needed wether u like them or not. And there is no doubt some of the guns (esp some of the stock market brigade, but not them all) have no idea how lucky they are or really appreciate thebirds/day, but u could say the same about the fitba now with the 'prawn sandwhich brigade' DIY shoots do not employ keepers or generate any income for the local busineses/communitires, bringing paying guns into the area filling hotels etc. There is a couple of shoots near me that need to turn over 1 million quid to break even!! And that is in a rural area with not a lot of jobs, so is a massive difference. That is a lot of money to local feed merchants, garages, mechanics, beaters, fencers, game farmers etc never mind all the accomodation costs of having parties of 8-10 guns 80+ days over the winter off season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Precisely. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. All the farmers I know are dead shrewd and tight - there's one near me who puts his shot rabbits straight through a mincer (whole and in the skin) and fed to his dogs (along with regular worming tablets). At the very least they would be breasted and then disposed of. I am very skeptical of both the article and a couple of comments on this thread. It`s strange I live in the next door county to you and in my local area a lot of the farms are run by management companies and the owners are absentee farmers some not even living in this country.I shoot over four farms which have working farmers and not one will take pigeons,rabbits or game when you offer it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I do wonder - those 100 bags of pigeons people sometimes shoot - do they all go to the game dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Wish someone would dump game birds in my garden - I'd find a good and yummy use for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 People will go to a posh restaurant and have pigeon breast starter but offer them some pigeons and they will visibly recoil at the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I do wonder - those 100 bags of pigeons people sometimes shoot - do they all go to the game dealer? Mine do but plenty don't , I have lost count of the amount of pigeon I have seen dumped , took the dog for a walk last year and came across at least 100 dumped and rotting . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I do wonder - those 100 bags of pigeons people sometimes shoot - do they all go to the game dealer? The pigeons I shoot never go to a dealer, I take all of them home for my own consumption,,,,,, having said that I usually get single figure bags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 The pigeons I shoot never go to a dealer, I take all of them home for my own consumption,,,,,, having said that I usually get single figure bags Same here,I would feel very sheepish rolling up to the game dealers with two pigeons and a mixxy rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 What about this one then? They were all struck down by the hand of god during their fag break. Yeah? No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Do you get off your head every night,or is it a mid-week thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Never had any personal experience of this, however I have seen photos of 175+ greylag geese being buried, but they were shot as pests and could not be sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 You do need to be careful with reports like this. Some users have reported incidents that were faked. I spoke to BASC about this a while ago and there have been some incidents where on investigation, the pheasants turned out to have been shot with rifles, which poachers have been known to do. Some reports will be due to poachers and not legitimate shoots. There are some convincing reports of dumping by actual shooting estates, but I don't believe for one second it's on the scale animal rights activists want people to believe. We get a handful of reports every now and then and that's about it, many of them unproven. But then animal rights groups issue press releases claiming the number of birds involved is in the thousands, which there is simply no evidence for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Yes I agree it looks odd. Even if a shoot had excess and not worth taking to a game dealer (let's not forget commercial shoots have to continue; they have taken money so must continue, jobs and reputation at risk etc etc) they would not have been stupid and left on show. They would have been buried after dark. There are several bad news stories about trying to tarnish our sport so let's try to kill these off and not provide any ammo to antis who will be watching us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Right. I've been giving this one some thought now so how about this - They are victims of pheasant on pheasant gang violence and the victims here died trying to protect their feeder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Right. I've been giving this one some thought now so how about this - They are victims of pheasant on pheasant gang violence and the victims here died trying to protect their feeder? Was it in midsummer?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Right. I've been giving this one some thought now so how about this - They are victims of pheasant on pheasant gang violence and the victims here died trying to protect their feeder? Once again ack-ack you have excelled and shown that the rest of us are just one dimentional in our thinking . Surely you have cracked this case , ever though of signing up to the boys in blue ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I suspect antis buying up a few birds in feather and stage managing this. Any ammo they can get they will use. Very easy to do and if any shoot was in a position of having game left over or spoilt (fly blown etc) surely they would bury? We must refute strongly any such story/allegation. This is a bit like the raptor persecutions - the vast majority of the crimes are unproven 'reported' which often have no substance at all but they are in the stats. Just read this weeks Shooting Times. Let's hear from CA/BASC strong words of denial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Once again ack-ack you have excelled and shown that the rest of us are just one dimentional in our thinking . Surely you have cracked this case , ever though of signing up to the boys in blue ? You mean these blokes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tWP6aYwi5M They appear to be ack-ack aligned Edited November 13, 2014 by amateur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Right. I've been giving this one some thought now so how about this - They are victims of pheasant on pheasant gang violence and the victims here died trying to protect their feeder? Do you think it might have been the Partridge family from Amherst lead by Anthony Quayle .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The local shoot round here buries them. They have been doing it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The local shoot round here buries them. They have been doing it for years. Can you tell us which shoot that is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The local shoot round here buries them. They have been doing it for years. Please name the local shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The local shoot round here buries them. They have been doing it for years. Tosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 on our shoot and sometimes 300 bird days, the game dealer comes in his chilled van at the end of the day and every bird is taken away,never in all my years of shooting and beating have I ever seen birds dumped or buried, one thing we sometimes do though is put all the collected birds at the end of the drive together on the floor until they are picked up by the driver of the mule and then put into pairs, so could the picture be of that ? IMO its a bull photo taken by an anti or some other clown NOT involved in shooting or certainly against it atb Evo Agreed. I pick up on a large commercial estate and we are under pressure to ensure every bird is picked and accounted for so it goes into the game larder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The local shoot round here buries them. They have been doing it for years. I'd be amazed if that was the case, in all the years never actually seen or heard of it being done (except when the birds where on/ not finished withdrawl from meds) Like most on here that picks up i pride myself i walking/looking for the lost causes, dinae always find them but will try my hardest, which is all u can do. While i think the shoot should be named and shamed, it is also not fair to tarnish a shoots reputation if it does not bury them and ur info is wrong/misunderstood and it can not defend itself, reputations an very quickly be tarnished/ruined on the net. U should possibly report them to BASC/NGO dunno if they are an affilated shoot? or they could mibee pressure them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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