Benji02 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hello, I am looking to buy a new scope for my hw100tk .22 and would like some opinions, I have around £250 and I'm after 4-12x50 or 4-16x50 ect... Anyone know of any decent scopes for that price range? I will be using it for hunting and the occasional target shooting but mainly hunting. Thanks in advance Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hawke Sidewinder TAC 30... Brilliant scope for an airgun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 If it is mainly for hunting I would be looking for something starting at 3 x magnification , especially if you are planning on doing some lamping or rat shooting . You will able to pick up a higher end hawke and I would suggest the Airmax 30 3-12 x 50 this also has half mill dots on the bottom post so will give more aim points for target shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji02 Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I think the sidewinder is slightly out of my price range but. The air max is defiantly an option, are they good scopes? Also so 4-16 wouldn't be sufficient? I have had 3-9 on my last 2 rifles and never really used 3 mag so would getting the AirMax 30 in 4-12x50 be ok? Thanks for the quick replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Bought a 4-12x50 ir AO panorama 2 weeks ago now and is great. Use it for hunting and target plinking. Second Hawke scope I have bought and they are all good in their price brackets. Edited November 12, 2014 by onatangent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I've got an mtc mamba lite on my rapid and at £160ish I think it cost, it's plenty good enough for me for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 personally I cant see the point of having a bigger mag than 3x9 on any air rifle unless you are doing some serious comp target work, the hawke Panorama EV 3x9x50 AO IR is a superb scope for the money and more than enough magnification for air rifle use, for around the £120 mark it is a top piece of glass and certainly more than adequate for ANY air rifle, they are also superb on a .22rf as well and work very well in low light conditions, hope this helps atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Which is why I bought one, cant find a bad review and for the money is top notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I think the sidewinder is slightly out of my price range but. The air max is defiantly an option, are they good scopes? Also so 4-16 wouldn't be sufficient? I have had 3-9 on my last 2 rifles and never really used 3 mag so would getting the AirMax 30 in 4-12x50 be ok? Thanks for the quick replies Good choice, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I must be getting old-£250 for a scope to sit on a gun with less than 60 yards normal range? I normally buy used scopes-you don't need top end German optics and mounts built to withstand a Tallboy on a PCP Airgun. But if you have money to burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji02 Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I think I'll just get the hawke AirMax 30 sf 4-16x50 I love the reticle on it and might as well spend the money on a good scope as I don't want to have to buy another one for quite some time not until I have the money to buy another gun in .177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 personally I cant see the point of having a bigger mag than 3x9 on any air rifle unless you are doing some serious comp target work, as evo said you don't need anything more after all it's an air rifle colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) I had a 4-16x50 scope for a while. I found myself needing 3x far more than I ever expected, so traded it for a Hawke Sidewinder 3-12. much happier now! That said, where i missed the 3x most was close quarter rats/corvid work. if you don't do much of this, then you'd probably be okay with 4x. The new Airmax looks pretty good. It hadn't been released when I bought my Sidewinder; I think I would have had a harder choice had it been available. Edited November 12, 2014 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji02 Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Thankyou everyone for the replies! I don't do much rat shooting atall really and I really don't like the 3-9 not high enough mag to what I like, I'll probably go for the 4-16 or 3-12 not sure yet!! also just a quick question when zeroing I have had various different opinions from people but should I use full zoom when zeroing or not? Iv had some people tell me full zoom, some tell me no zoom and others say in the middle so am not 100% sure Many thanks Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Zero how you feel comfortable to. If its a calibrated mil dot scope then set it to cal zoom level so you can use the mil dots to make accurate adjustments. If you download chairgun pro, its free, it will tell you optimum zero range for your setup which does make a real difference when intersects are viewed. Also search for a vid of one shot zero and see what they like to use. Logically different zoom depending on zero distance for me. Edited November 13, 2014 by onatangent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 personally I cant see the point of having a bigger mag than 3x9 on any air rifle unless you are doing some serious comp target work, the hawke Panorama EV 3x9x50 AO IR is a superb scope for the money and more than enough magnification for air rifle use, for around the £120 mark it is a top piece of glass and certainly more than adequate for ANY air rifle, they are also superb on a .22rf as well and work very well in low light conditions, hope this helps atb Evo +1 on this one. I bought a Panorama ev 3-9x40 ao ir to sit on my new 77k. Like you say does everything you could possibly want from a scope for air gunning. I went for the MAP reticle. I like the way the reticle is suspended and the illumination comes in handy. My shooting buddie uses the same scope on his 22lr as well. I also can not get my head round the fact that many want the highest mag possible from a scope for air gunning. Specialist field target shooting maybe but for the majority of times you are shooting at no more than 30 yards. I have raised this point many times at our club with fellow air gunners and mention that when shooting my 243 i have the mag set at 6x. Same with both my rimfires. Whatever floats you boat i suppose but i would certainly have a look through the Panorama range before making a final decision ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji02 Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Thanks for all the replies, I personally like a slightly higher mag for when I do abit of target shooting and zeroing, I also love the AirMax reticle, I'll have a look at that model in scopes before I buy anything tho Many thanks Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 personally I cant see the point of having a bigger mag than 3x9 on any air rifle unless you are doing some serious comp target work, the hawke Panorama EV 3x9x50 AO IR is a superb scope for the money and more than enough magnification for air rifle use, for around the £120 mark it is a top piece of glass and certainly more than adequate for ANY air rifle, they are also superb on a .22rf as well and work very well in low light conditions, hope this helps atb Evo For advice that pretty much says it. Whilst many seem to use the likes of the Sidewinder, I personally think they can be a bit heavy for an air rifle. In #17 you say I personally like a slightly higher mag for when I do abit of target shooting and zeroing, I also love the AirMax reticle, so you appear to have some personal ideas already. Price wise, obviously spend what you like, but don't be hoodwinked into thinking you have to spend loads of money on an air rifle scope to get good results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenj Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 I often shoot in woods where the rabbits are in the undergrowth less than 10 yards away. Even at 3X mag, they tend to blend in with the background. A 3 X 9 scope with a mil dot is all that is needed for an air rifle, or .22 rimfire. No need to spend a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Whilst many seem to use the likes of the Sidewinder, I personally think they can be a bit heavy for an air rifle. This is true, it is a bit on the weighty side. But the baby one (3-12x50) is 6.6oz lighter than the equivalent Airmax30 model. Obviously it's still a heavyweight compared to a 1" tube scope like the panorama ev. The big reason I went for the Sidewinder was the side focus. I much prefer it to the AO models. If that's not an issue, then the Panorama ev is probably the best on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooting long Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I don't want to teach you guys to suck eggs and I am new to the forum but I have shot fire arms and air gun for years. Scope choice is a personal thing and even though I very much agree the side winder is a very good scope I would have a look at FFP (first focal plane) scopes because if you use the zoom on you scope through the full range you zero never changes due to the magnificent and FFP scopes are becoming more affordable Glynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooting long Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I don't want to teach you guys to suck eggs and I am new to the forum but I have shot fire arms and air gun for years. Scope choice is a personal thing and even though I very much agree the side winder is a very good scope I would have a look at FFP (first focal plane) scopes because if you use the zoom on you scope through the full range you zero never changes due to the magnificent and FFP scopes are becoming more affordable Glynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji02 Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) I don't want to teach you guys to suck eggs and I am new to the forum but I have shot fire arms and air gun for years. Scope choice is a personal thing and even though I very much agree the side winder is a very good scope I would have a look at FFP (first focal plane) scopes because if you use the zoom on you scope through the full range you zero never changes due to the magnificent and FFP scopes are becoming more affordable Glynn What's the difference in ffp and sfp I know it's where the retical is positioned but what's the pros and cons of both? I shoot small game rabbits, pigions, crows, magpies, rats ect.. At a distance of 10-40 yards mostly Edited November 19, 2014 by Benji02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooting long Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 As you zoom in on a second focal plane scope the aim point changes because the reticle is not magnifyed. So as your target appears larger the more you zoom in the distance between the aim points, mils MOA doesn't change. So if you look at FFP scopes the cross and mils get larger the more you zoom so your adjustment for hold over, under and wind never change no matter what your zoom. Also makes making you range card essay and makes you more confident on shot placement Glynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Glynn Where do you stop..you can go on and on with scopes, the reality is its a HW100 used mainly for hunting (no mention of FAC) so just how far is he going to be shooting? Obviously anyone can spend whatever they want, but I don't spend anything like £250 on my rimfire scopes, and they all serve me well, if they didn't I would spend whatever needed spending to get something that did work, the fact is you don't need to spend a fortune on scopes these days...even for centrefires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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