.410 3 inch #5 cartridge availibility

[Suffolkngood]

Hi does any one know anywhere that stocks .410 3 inch #5 shot cartridges in East anglia currently.

I'd like to get some before the weekend.

 

Thanks

[vampire]

Have you tried Mallard Barn at wattisham !

[Suffolkngood]

Haven't tried anywhere yet. Got a Day on Saturday and if not too windy thought I'd give the 410 a go.

 

Was just hoping someone might know who's got some to speed the process up.

 

Thanks for the advice th

[Underdog]

#5+.410=:-(

 

#7 =:-))

[motty]

Hi does any one know anywhere that stocks .410 3 inch #5 shot cartridges in East anglia currently.

I'd like to get some before the weekend.

 

Thanks

Is it important that they need to be 5 shot?

[Suffolkngood]

Agree with Underdog for clays and early season partridge/pheasant.

 

Motty, Probably not but I've got a load of Fiocchi 19g #6 & #7

 

Wanted to try some #5 on driven pheasants at the weekend. I'd happily use the #6 if not.

[Underdog]

Have a good day, weather looks iffy!

 

U.

[casts_by_fly]

Agree with Underdog for clays and early season partridge/pheasant.

 

Motty, Probably not but I've got a load of Fiocchi 19g #6 & #7

 

Wanted to try some #5 on driven pheasants at the weekend. I'd happily use the #6 if not.

 

i totally understand wanting to try something new and am a proponent for bigger shot on pheasants almost regardless.

 

However, in a 410 you're going to run out of pattern density before you run out of pellet energy unless you're talking abnormally large loads in the 410. If you're in the high teens for load weight, even a full choke is going to struggle with enough density around 30 yards for a pheasant. At that range, 7's will have enough energy and give multiple hits in the CNS.

 

thanks,

Rick

[Dangerous Brian]

i totally understand wanting to try something new and am a proponent for bigger shot on pheasants almost regardless.

 

However, in a 410 you're going to run out of pattern density before you run out of pellet energy unless you're talking abnormally large loads in the 410. If you're in the high teens for load weight, even a full choke is going to struggle with enough density around 30 yards for a pheasant. At that range, 7's will have enough energy and give multiple hits in the CNS.

 

thanks,

Rick

Have to agree with the above. The .410 is a short range gun. Using 5's will not improve the effective range and could even make things worse. Three inch shell with 7's up to 30 yards sounds about right to me.

 

All the best for saturday

[Westley]

Why not go the whole hog and take a .22 rifle, plenty of stopping power there and guaranteed to test your ability ?

Edited January 15, 2015 by Westley

[Underdog]

Why not go the whole hog and take a .22 rifle, plenty of stopping power there and gauranteed to test your ability ?

Hey, that's a good idea. I might just try that. Grind the sights off an old 22, shape the stock for fit, what could go wrong?

 

U lol

[Westley]

AND fewer pricked birds too !

[Underdog]

AND fewer pricked birds too !

Lol :-)

[bruno22rf]

"fewer pricked birds"?- is that prison lingo?

[Suffolkngood]

Guys, I'm not using a .410 for pheasants on a whim. I've shot all my driven game (except one day this year in Wales I used 12 bore) with a 28 bore for the last 11 years so not a dramatic reduction in pattern density/shot string for me to experience.

 

I'm fully aware of my gun's limitations. As for pricked birds.............I shot 24 birds on Monday with my 28bore (24gram #5) of which 23 lay dead (no runners) around my pegs. 1 partridge flew on for a couple of hundred yards then towered and fell. This was gathered by picker up. I only had two additional birds during the day that I was aware of pricking ( I heard and saw the reaction as the pellets struck the bird ) Both flew on strong and were not picked by picker ups. All other birds that I shot at (I had 42 shots all day and some of my kills were with second shot) I honestly believe were clean misses as no noise, flinches or deviations in flight were observed (obviously cannot guarantee that no pellets hit target but certainly not obvious).

 

I've only used the .410 on one occasion for 3 afternoon drives. This was my regular shoot and I already knew what drives we were doing in the afternoon and which pegs I would be on before making the decision to take the .410 so knew what to expect. Used 19gram #7s (all I had available on the day) as suggested above. Only fired at 'Tesco Value' birds as never used .410 before but they killed 3 out of the 5 I shot at. Was only thinking of bigger shot to see how it compared against the #7 (especially as may be a bit breezy). Have since purchased 19gram #6 so will try these instead if not too windy. Otherwise, I'll use the 28 bore.

 

Of course I fully understand that had I used a 20 or 12 bore the likelihood of pricking birds would be eliminated completely. Yeah right?

[Underdog]

Wohh there kind sir, we not laughing at you at all. I am on your side sir. Carried a 410 my self on a few driven days yonks ago now. You crack on.

I would be the first to shake your hand if I was there, but am not there because you have not invited me :-(

 

U ;-)

[Suffolkngood]

Hi underdog

 

This clearly wasn't a dig at you or any others that use and understand small gauges. I've seen several of yours and others positive comments on the subject.

 

In fact it wasn't really a dig at anyone...........but why do pricked birds always get mentioned just because small gauge users don't throw 28grams and over into the sky.

 

The first time I used the .410 for those 3 afternoon drives I didn't tell anyone I'd swapped from my 28 to the 410 ( so people couldn't pre judge) yet a picker up who knew I always shot the 28 joked he'd stand behind me to get my 'runners'. I only fired one shot with the .410 that drive and the bird certainly didn't run anywhere. Time and time again I hear ....." The guy on Peg x shot bloody well........" only for them to change their comments to....." He had several runners and pricked birds" etc when the subsequently find out he wasn't using a 12 or 20 bore.

[motty]

Guys, I'm not using a .410 for pheasants on a whim. I've shot all my driven game (except one day this year in Wales I used 12 bore) with a 28 bore for the last 11 years so not a dramatic reduction in pattern density/shot string for me to experience.

 

I'm fully aware of my gun's limitations. As for pricked birds.............I shot 24 birds on Monday with my 28bore (24gram #5) of which 23 lay dead (no runners) around my pegs. 1 partridge flew on for a couple of hundred yards then towered and fell. This was gathered by picker up. I only had two additional birds during the day that I was aware of pricking ( I heard and saw the reaction as the pellets struck the bird ) Both flew on strong and were not picked by picker ups. All other birds that I shot at (I had 42 shots all day and some of my kills were with second shot) I honestly believe were clean misses as no noise, flinches or deviations in flight were observed (obviously cannot guarantee that no pellets hit target but certainly not obvious).

 

I've only used the .410 on one occasion for 3 afternoon drives. This was my regular shoot and I already knew what drives we were doing in the afternoon and which pegs I would be on before making the decision to take the .410 so knew what to expect. Used 19gram #7s (all I had available on the day) as suggested above. Only fired at 'Tesco Value' birds as never used .410 before but they killed 3 out of the 5 I shot at. Was only thinking of bigger shot to see how it compared against the #7 (especially as may be a bit breezy). Have since purchased 19gram #6 so will try these instead if not too windy. Otherwise, I'll use the 28 bore.

 

Of course I fully understand that had I used a 20 or 12 bore the likelihood of pricking birds would be eliminated completely. Yeah right?

Nothing wrong with a small bore for pheasants. It's totally possible to kill as far with a .410 as you can with a 12. It is far more likely, though, that with the smaller payload, the pattern will let you down with the smaller gun. That's why I believe a 7 or even a 7.5 is perhaps the optimum shotsize for a compromise between energy and pattern density. Just over a fortnight ago, one of my fellow guns on a shoot was knocking pheasants down very nicely with a smallish load of 7.5 through his 20 bore.

[Suffolkngood]

Quite agree with what you say about 12 bore. My brother is a very consistent driven game shooter and almost always uses 30gram #7 Eley HiFlyers..........I think he likes the pink cases lol. Ok, I know 30grams isn't a light load but the #7 gives a very dense and deadly pattern.

 

Personally, I prefer 24gram #7 through my 28 bore but switched to 24gram #5 on Monday as the wind was strong and I felt the bigger shot would give me greater 'stopping power' and eliminate birds setting their wings and using the wind to glide too far back. It seemed to work very well........or maybe I just shot straighter?

[Underdog]

Hi underdog

 

This clearly wasn't a dig at you or any others that use and understand small gauges. I've seen several of yours and others positive comments on the subject.

 

In fact it wasn't really a dig at anyone...........but why do pricked birds always get mentioned just because small gauge users don't throw 28grams and over into the sky.

 

The first time I used the .410 for those 3 afternoon drives I didn't tell anyone I'd swapped from my 28 to the 410 ( so people couldn't pre judge) yet a picker up who knew I always shot the 28 joked he'd stand behind me to get my 'runners'. I only fired one shot with the .410 that drive and the bird certainly didn't run anywhere. Time and time again I hear ....." The guy on Peg x shot bloody well........" only for them to change their comments to....." He had several runners and pricked birds" etc when the subsequently find out he wasn't using a 12 or 20 bore.

Don't worry what others do or say, your just shattering there mis placed theory of more is better. It often developes from listening to too much jibbajabba. It says more about them than it does you matey.

Just grin back at them, say nowt and watch them crumble :-)

 

U.

[matty*]

I shot on a well know partridge shoot in cambridgeshire last season with my .410. Had the regulars look in disgust but they soon changed there view with the birds coming down dead from a 19g 7# load i was using. A very good day was had as it happens. I was a guest that day.

[Suffolkngood]

Don't worry what others do or say, your just shattering there mis placed theory of more is better. It often developes from listening to too much jibbajabba. It says more about them than it does you matey.

Just grin back at them, say nowt and watch them crumble :-)

U.

I must get around to getting myself a camera to show the disbelievers down the local what these little guns can do if you're able to arrange a collision between shotstring and the bird. Edited January 16, 2015 by Suffolkngood

[Guest cookoff013]

I shot on a well know partridge shoot in cambridgeshire last season with my .410. Had the regulars look in disgust but they soon changed there view with the birds coming down dead from a 19g 7# load i was using. A very good day was had as it happens. I was a guest that day.

 

matty,

thats just too much gun, really?

 

everyone knows partridge should be shot with a 9mm RF shot - cartridge.

 

[Floating Chamber]

The new Lyalvale 3" .410 fibre shells. Have you tried them?

[Suffolkngood]

The new Lyalvale 3" .410 fibre shells. Have you tried them?

No not tried the Lyvales but the Fiocchi 19g #6 worked well at the weekend.