jon0881 Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Hi, Im looking for an unbias opinion on my next purchase. I already have a o/u 12g and have happily been smashing clays. I am getting into a bit of pigeon shooting and fancy a S/A. My fist thoughts went to a Remmy 1100 but a local gunsmith put me off that with weight and reliability. I have seen a load of these Escorts up for sale and i look of the synthetic stock so i went to give a SH one a try. I wasnt too happy with the amount of jams i had on a box of 50 and it didnt cycle fast so i walked away. A new model looks slightly different with the catch release button so was the one i tried faulty??? I dont know exactly why but loads of these appear on the SH market nearly new........why?:blink:?? So in short i need a SA for pigeons and some clays, im looking at; remmy 1100 escort beretta a303 (reccomended by gunsmith for my budget) I think i know the answer but if some one with experience could let me know im on the right path. Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancs Lad Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 beretta AL391 ulrika in synthetic.......... I picked one up for 400 second hand..................... And I LURRRVVVEEE it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Remmy 1100 :blink: Mine is over 30 years old, and has never let me down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon0881 Posted March 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 my budget might not stretch that far mate. i doubt i will use it as much as the o/u. I tried 28's and 30's in the escort, both jammed at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 iv had a few remmys 1100 and found them very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon0881 Posted March 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 7.5's. cant remember the makes of the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 The a303's are lovely guns, nice and reliable and they cycle most things apart from some 24g loads. Classic design, hit some corking high pigeon last week with mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 In my limited experience (al391, 2xa303's) its got nothing to do with the size of the shot and a lot more to do with the weight of the cart (ie recoil). Maybe this only applies to gas operated like the ones I have owned and used. None of the guns I have owned like the very light low velocity carts, the a303 won't fully eject 24g carts. The 391 was a little fussy with slower 28g loads too, certain brands of low velocity fibre wads would sometimes jam it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon0881 Posted March 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Can anyone explain why nobody keeps the escorts for very long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 cause they suck?? Seems to me if theres alot of nearly new s/h escourts they're rubbish and people are trying to get rid of them. Splash out and get the al931 and you wont regret it. It will also hold its value if you ever go to sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 In my limited experience (al391, 2xa303's) its got nothing to do with the size of the shot and a lot more to do with the weight of the cart (ie recoil). 100% correct Pin Remington 11-87s are worth looking at. I never have any problems with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I have a sect 1 escort and its excellent and never misses a beat! I like it because its a disposable gun at that money, gets knocked around and i couldnt give one about it! They do rattle, and they aint top quality guns, but for the dosh they do a job. Have a look at the baikal mp153 .... heavy and solid gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 had an escort pump action and that used to jam so traded it and got the benneli super m2.never looked back works faultlessly bloody good pigeon gun and comes with full set chokes so good on clays aswellhighly recommended paid £550 for a second hand mint example with box n other stuff for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 A gentleman from this very site bought a Beretta A302 from me, having tried an Escort without success. The Berettas are very good in my experience. That A302 would cycle 28g all day no problems. I still have an AL390 which is doing very nicely as well. For £300-£400 you can't go far wrong with a used Beretta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Quote: Im looking for an unbias opinion... Is there such a thing? 391 for me at the moment. But you can be sure once I stop shooting well with it it will be the guns fault and I have to change my gun. The as close as you get to an unbias opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 In my limited experience (al391, 2xa303's) its got nothing to do with the size of the shot and a lot more to do with the weight of the cart (ie recoil). Maybe this only applies to gas operated like the ones I have owned and used. None of the guns I have owned like the very light low velocity carts, the a303 won't fully eject 24g carts. The 391 was a little fussy with slower 28g loads too, certain brands of low velocity fibre wads would sometimes jam it up. all my semis run high an low velocity shells with no problem ejecting, dont recall ever cleaning them other than rotating the gas port in one 391 to see if it helps, access is easier but still not cleaned it. my 2 391s have had many thousands of target loads through without a hitch, the 390 is a few years on now and still functions without fault, any hanging up or ejection problems may not only be the shell, it could be interference with the block on retract, take a look and see if any burrs are apparent, remove with a smooth stone going with the direction of travel, take a look at the track the block runs in as well, a little polishing with a rouge may assist the block in its functions, even the winny stopped after 3 falt of shells went through it in less than 1-1/2 hours, the thing got so hot it jammed the brass in the chamber, didnt jam otherwise. its not all about ports on gas autos, its still mechanical in the end. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon0881 Posted March 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Thanks for the info chappies. A retta a303 or 391 if my budget will stretch is the one for me then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 first semi was a 301 , second was a 303 , third was a remi 1100 , 4 th is a escort . Escort works fine for me , cant fault it smallest cart i have used as been 28g no 8 , and largest 56g BB . just keep it clean , every few hundred rounds i clean mine , if you look at the barrel ports they are actually bigger than the remi , so less clogging . theres a lot of snobbery when it comes to gun makes , i,ve had a few berettas etc , etc , its what suits you best that counts. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytrigger Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 My first semi was a 12g remi 1100 couldnt really fault it. Fantastic hide shooting gun. Ive recently bought a 391 urika.. Awesome gun, lightweight and has cycled 28g and 32g carts with no stoppages as of yet. Ive always cleaned the barrel and the gas parts after using a shottie old habits die hard i suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 beretta AL391 ulrika in synthetic.......... I picked one up for 400 second hand..................... And I LURRRVVVEEE it. id have to agree with lancs lad i got mine 3 years ago and put thousands of shells through it and it never gave me a bit of bother .The synthetic stock is very easy to mind which is a big advantage.You should pick one up cheap enough second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellier0437 Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I've had an a303 for a while now, great gun, reliable, easy to maintain, accurate, and generally problem free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Twas us that bought Arjimlads 302, mainly as my 14 year olds clay gun. This gun has been in use nearly every weekend since bought, has not missed a beat in over 3000 1ounce shells in our ownership. These early Berets are really well put together and the 302 has to my eye at least the most decorative finish of any previous or indeed later auto models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Well i tempted fate stating my Escort hasnt missed a beat ........... Last night while out on a pick up shooting session, bowled a fox over and went to put a second into him and click ..... nothing. Wouldnt cycle another round all night, this gun is thoroughly cleaned after every session, going out this afternoon to let a few off and see whats going on with it, not a happy boy, the gun is only 3 months old and has only had 400'ish shells through it. Baikal mp for me if this doesnt get sorted, had to happen when i had a fox on the end of the barrel, luckily my mate finished the job on the fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Have a look at the baikal mp153 .... heavy and solid gun. They're not fussy. I've never had to adjust the gas system on mine using any load I've tried from 7.5's to BB's Load it, shoot it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conor Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 have a beretta al391 it dose the business cycles everythin i have used no problem and i dont clean it much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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