Daz Harrison Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 How do we know if a gun is ok for steel shot ? a friend told me to make sure i get a steel proofed gun as they are becoming cheaper than lead ? does it make any diffrence to your shooting if using steel ? sorry for all the ?? Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Is your friend not referring to steel shot cartridges being cheaper than lead shot ones, rather than the guns? A steel shot proofed gun will bear the Fleur De Lys symbol. You don't need a steel shot proofed gun to shoot steel shot. Edited February 23, 2015 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Whilst Scully is right, if you shoot steel cartridges with Fiber wads they steel can be abrasive on the barrels,. where as i think most steel proofed guns have chrome lined barrels and the steel does not effect them, This is a long term thing. Plastic wads do protect against this as the shot is always enclosed within the plastic whilst in the gun Also with steel you are advised not you use more than half choke and also the pressure may be outside older guns limits using steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Whilst Scully is right, if you shoot steel cartridges with Fiber wads they steel can be abrasive on the barrels,. where as i think most steel proofed guns have chrome lined barrels and the steel does not effect them, This is a long term thing. Plastic wads do protect against this as the shot is always enclosed within the plastic whilst in the gun Also with steel you are advised not you use more than half choke and also the pressure may be outside older guns limits using steel Incorrect. Steel can score barrels of any gun if it comes into contact with it. Edited February 23, 2015 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 come on motty tell em steel carts all have full length plastic wads otherwise it will screw up any barrel chrome or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Was in a gun shope the over day and shop owner was ordering a new barrel for the new a300 xtreme then I said what somone dented the barrel he said know a patch of camo hvae been grazed and the barrel is scored must of been a pice of shot behind the wad so proof that steel proof dont protect from scored barrels from shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Harrison Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 so steel shot is no better than lead, just a little cheaper ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchiet123 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 steel isnt better than lead, quite the opposite, as steel tends to pass through birds easier than lead as it is harder therefore does not deform as much or 'mushroom' if you will. most people go up a shot size in steel. steel cartridges are cheaper, but id say the guns are generally more expensive than non fleur de lys ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 steel isnt better than lead, quite the opposite, as steel tends to pass through birds easier than lead as it is harder therefore does not deform as much or 'mushroom' if you will. most people go up a shot size in steel. steel cartridges are cheaper, but id say the guns are generally more expensive than non fleur de lys ones. Lead doesn't mushroom or deform significantly when it hits flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecash Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 as far as I am concerned my life is worth far more getting into an argument about proof google is your friend - BASC PRODUCE AN INFORMATION SHEET I reproduce a little of it belowSTEEL SHOTWhat you need to know from a safety point of viewThere are two types of steel shot cartridges: Standard Steel and High PerformanceSteel (See table below for criteria). Standard Steel cartridges can be fired throughany gun proved to the standard level (ie most “Nitro” proved guns, proved to at least930 bar) and through any choke. High Performance Steel cartridges shouldalways be marked as such on the box and should only be fired through gunsthat have passed Steel Shot proof. These guns should be proved to at least 1320bar, be stamped with "Steel Shot" and a have a Fleur de Lys proof mark to proveit). Most High Performance steel can be fired through any choke, but it isrecommended not to use choke greater than a half for shot sizes BB (4.1mm) orlarger.As a result of its hardness and the typical plastic wad, steel does have the potentialto cause some choke expansion ("bulging") particularly in older, traditional lightweightguns. Care is also needed when shooting steel shot as it can ricochet more thanlead. Eye protection may be sensible.The descriptions and limits are set out by the International Proof Commission (CIP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 To the OP; bear in mind that using a steel shot proofed gun is no guarantee steel shot will not damage your barrels, that is dependant entirely on the wad. The wad encloses the steel shot, and holds the shot within itself until it leaves the muzzle. If the shot leaves the wad before the wad leaves the muzzle for whatever reason, then scoring can occur. I own no steel shot proofed guns, but use steel shot in most of them when needs dictate, including HP steel, and have done for years, but not usually through anything tighter than 1/2 choke. None have been damaged. The choice is yours but if you want to err on the side of caution then stick to standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Harrison Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 so steel is not the be all and end all, thankyou all im just waiting for my cert to drop through the letter box now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecash Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) as we all know lead is hardly environmentally friendly and there are constant rumours, indeeed quite believable that lead shot will eventually be banned. To be on the safe side of the argument I would always go for a shotgun with a fleur de lys proof mark Just my opinion Edited February 23, 2015 by joecash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I do not put steel through my guns I take meticulous care of them and clean them religiously after every outing I want to see the inside of my barrels looking like mirrors.I like a lot of other people pay thousands for my guns and the last thing I want is some cheap cartridge cup to fail and leave me with a nasty score. This is just my personal preference everybody must do as they see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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