Don't blame me...I'm voting UKIP

[poontang]

Shortly before the EU elections in May last year there was a long thread running on here discussing the pros and cons of the European Project. As is often the way immigration was the central topic, but a few other reasons for staying in or pulling out were also discussed.

My thoughts then, as they are now, is that we're moving headlong into a massive European superstate, with no borders, a single currency, a new flag, a new anthem, and run by a new government in a new parliament.

Sovereign states will all but disappear and countries will become nothing more than regions, run by Brussels. Similar to how councils are run by central government now.

I also mentioned my real concern about the EU's expansionist foreign policy, and their involvement in the beginning of the crisis in Ukraine.

 

Some people still believe that the EU, although incompetent and corrupt, are nothing more than a trading bloc.

 

I, and many others have always had a very cynical view of the goings on in Brussels...and it seems we were right to hold those views.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

 

 

[longspoon]

I wholeheartedly agree poontang.....

[Fisherman Mike]

Good for you both..hope you will be very happy together.

[gemini52]

Shortly before the EU elections in May last year there was a long thread running on here discussing the pros and cons of the European Project. As is often the way immigration was the central topic, but a few other reasons for staying in or pulling out were also discussed.

My thoughts then, as they are now, is that we're moving headlong into a massive European superstate, with no borders, a single currency, a new flag, a new anthem, and run by a new government in a new parliament.

Sovereign states will all but disappear and countries will become nothing more than regions, run by Brussels. Similar to how councils are run by central government now.

I also mentioned my real concern about the EU's expansionist foreign policy, and their involvement in the beginning of the crisis in Ukraine.

 

Some people still believe that the EU, although incompetent and corrupt, are nothing more than a trading bloc.

 

I, and many others have always had a very cynical view of the goings on in Brussels...and it seems we were right to hold those views.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

 

 

I agree with all your comments.and yes i will be voting ukip.so i guess that makes three of us

[poontang]

Good for you both..hope you will be very happy together. &&0

 

Thanks for your blessing Mike.

 

Will you be standing in for Spineless Dave at the debates?

[ack-ack]

I didn't know you voted UKIP McPoontang. You've kept that one under your hat well.

[Fisherman Mike]

 

Thanks for your blessing Mike.

 

Will you be standing in for Spineless Dave at the debates?

Oh yes local MP is a bloody good chap...hunting, shooting, fishing type. I'm sure it wont be after 6 though will it ? Farage will be too ****** to talk.

[Fisherman Mike]

I didn't know you voted UKIP McPoontang. You've kept that one under your hat well.

Sarcasm I love it..

[kdubya]

Sarcasm I love it..

and have never used it?

 

KW

[grrclark]

It's not surprising to hear Juncker calling for that again, I guess that when you are a country the size of Luxembourg that being part of a bigger team is comforting. I do wonder if Mr Juncker would be quite so vocal in support of having a universal level of corporation tax across the EU, although I rather suspect not as that would kill their golden goose.

 

The rather sad and frustrating irony for you and your fellow kippers is that voting UKIP this time round is probably more likely to push you further away from influencing a change in EU policy than you all deserve, in fact it may well result in even closer EU integration if the Miliband and Sturgeon show get their way.

 

Such is the fickle nature of politics I guess.

[KFC]

I shall vote UKIP for this simple reason.

 

The EU auditors have refused to sign off the EU accounts every year for nearly twenty years because of lack of accounting, fraud and corruption.

 

The fact that our government pours billions of pounds of our money into such a system and then tries to tell us it is good for us beggars belief.

[Munzy]

Shortly before the EU elections in May last year there was a long thread running on here discussing the pros and cons of the European Project. As is often the way immigration was the central topic, but a few other reasons for staying in or pulling out were also discussed.

My thoughts then, as they are now, is that we're moving headlong into a massive European superstate, with no borders, a single currency, a new flag, a new anthem, and run by a new government in a new parliament.

Sovereign states will all but disappear and countries will become nothing more than regions, run by Brussels. Similar to how councils are run by central government now.

I also mentioned my real concern about the EU's expansionist foreign policy, and their involvement in the beginning of the crisis in Ukraine.

 

Some people still believe that the EU, although incompetent and corrupt, are nothing more than a trading bloc.

 

I, and many others have always had a very cynical view of the goings on in Brussels...and it seems we were right to hold those views.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

 

 

Spot-on!

[poontang]

 

 

 

The rather sad and frustrating irony for you and your fellow kippers is that voting UKIP this time round is probably more likely to push you further away from influencing a change in EU policy than you all deserve, in fact it may well result in even closer EU integration if the Miliband and Sturgeon show get their way.

 

Such is the fickle nature of politics I guess.

 

Indeed you may well be right.

 

However, if Miliband forms a close alliance with the SNP I fear he'll stir a massive English backlash. It won't sit easy with many this side of the border and I would suspect the Labour party will go the way of the Lib Dems come the 2020 election. He has to be very careful what he does with this one. He may gain power in the short term, but at the cost of possible total annihilation of his party in 2020.

[OJW]

I'm not slagging UKIP off here but it would seem that by voting UKIP in the general your just making it more likely Ed will be elected backed up by the Scotts. If your historically a Tory, thats a massive risk; it's the Conservatives who the papers say are bleeding out votes to Farage much more so than Labour.

[poontang]

Oh yes local MP is a bloody good chap...hunting, shooting, fishing type. I'm sure it wont be after 6 though will it ? Farage will be too pizzed to talk.

 

Hate to break it to you Mike, but Farage is a hunting, shooting and fishing man too...and if they had the debates at 6 in the morning and Nige had been on an all night bender he'd still wipe the floor with your man Cameron (if he had the bottle to turn up).

 

Anyway, let's not derail the thread too much. Your thoughts on a European army? Yes or No?

I'm not slagging UKIP off here but it would seem that by voting UKIP in the general your just making it more likely Ed will be elected backed up by the Scotts. If your historically a Tory, thats a massive risk; it's the Conservatives who the papers say are bleeding out votes to Farage much more so than Labour.

 

 

 

In some areas a UKIP vote will affect the Tories, but there are plenty of other places where Labour are very vulnerable.

 

I think we may well see some very interesting results come May 8th.

[kdubya]

I'm not slagging UKIP off here but it would seem that by voting UKIP in the general your just making it more likely Ed will be elected backed up by the Scotts. If your historically a Tory, thats a massive risk; it's the Conservatives who the papers say are bleeding out votes to Farage much more so than Labour.

 

 

dont count on UKIP not taking labour votes, think there may be a few surprises in store for those who think they have safe seats in the north east..

 

 

KW

[grrclark]

 

Indeed you may well be right.

 

However, if Miliband forms a close alliance with the SNP I fear he'll stir a massive English backlash. It won't sit easy with many this side of the border and I would suspect the Labour party will go the way of the Lib Dems come the 2020 election. He has to be very careful what he does with this one. He may gain power in the short term, but at the cost of possible total annihilation of his party in 2020.

 

Oh for sure, it is a very fine line that both Miliband and Sturgeon will walk, but I fear that the wave of SNP devotion north of the border just now will carry her through, but if Ed concedes too much to her demands then I believe you are right, support for Labour could evaporate. I think that he would accede to the SNP demands he is so desperate to be PM.

 

Although I am not a kipper I do think it is a real shame that the level of support that they have will not result in many seats in the house. Depending how things pan out you could have SNP on 40+ seats and UKIP on 4+, but with the same percentage of the vote or possibly even the SNP having a smaller percentage of the vote.

 

Last time UKIP had twice the voter percentage of SNP, but this time I don't think it will be as great a difference.

 

It is likely that the kippers will be the 5th or even 6th largest party in terms of seats and that is completely unrepresentative of the total level of support.

 

It will be a fascinating election for all sorts of reasons.

[notsosureshot]

I'll stick a fiver on it right now. The outcome of the next election will be a coalition between Labour and the SNP.

 

If the electorate allows that, then they deserve the consequences. I love Scotland, I'm half Scottish and identify with it. I believe in independence if it's what the people who live there want. But doing it that way with Labour/SNP, by undermining the UK parliament, would be a disgrace. Of course, many people would want to take firm action, except, it's illegal to do anything of meaning, aside from waving signs whilst being escorted by the police away from areas of significance. Another thing we can blame the entire electorate for allowing. Our right to protest is utterly meaningless. The government carry on regardless, their jobs are on the line.

 

We have no real voice, no way to force change, no way to tackle governent head on, yet they supposedly serve us. The faux democracy we have now is a joke, it has had too much external influence for too long. FPTP is past its sell by date.

 

Basically, it's all our fault, our combined fault, for being so bloody ambivalent over the years. We are now lemmings. The electorate allowed the lazy and the ill intentioned to take over to such an extent that they are now capable of swinging a vote, entirely based on the party that will provide them with the most "free" money. They do not care about the future of the country, or indeed, in many cases even understand what a political party represents outside of the sphere of their particular area of self interest. Many of such voters do not even care what a party represents, since they are so self absorbed.

 

You reap what you sow. For me, the worst part about it is that nothing can be done if a government that has no mandate (i.e. would lose in percentage vote terms) actually makes it into power through some screwed up behind the scenes deal.

 

It is a disgrace across the board and we call ourselves an advanced democracy. What an utter joke.

 

As for UKIP. I think they pander to specific issues in order to gain votes, yet their actual politics are all over the place. Of course, myself, and almost everyone in the country, is in agreement with at least one of their policies, but they do not really represent an electable alternative at present, they are just not organised enough and flip flop around too much.

 

That said, all of the political parties we have, would sell their own mother for a vote. Promises made, broken. It's a familiar story. They are never held accountable because, again, it's illegal for the electorate to really tackle them on it, in terms of if they lied to us, they are out, by our own hand. We can't do that unless we want to break the law.

 

Fundamental changes are needed to the way this country is run. The system is old, it is corrupt, it is not representative of the population. We all know it. The endless scandals in the daily papers provides yet more evidence, if needed. There are some good politicans around, but they tend to be men or women who have lived a life, before embarking on a political career. At least they have the experience to speak on issues relevant to the people.

 

Having the above opinion leaves me in a position of really not wanting to vote for anyone. I will, but I will vote for the party that serves my overall ideals. Rather than just my personal ones.

[Gordon R]

Fisherman Mike - thanks - you swayed me - UKIP it is.

[overandunder2012]

here we go again seconds away

Edited March 9, 2015 by overandunder2012

[KFC]

I'll stick a fiver on it right now. The outcome of the next election will be a coalition between Labour and the SNP.

 

If the electorate allows that, then they deserve the consequences. I love Scotland, I'm half Scottish and identify with it. I believe in independence if it's what the people who live there want. But doing it that way with Labour/SNP, by undermining the UK parliament, would be a disgrace. Of course, many people would want to take firm action, except, it's illegal to do anything of meaning, aside from waving signs whilst being escorted by the police away from areas of significance. Another thing we can blame the entire electorate for allowing. Our right to protest is utterly meaningless. The government carry on regardless, their jobs are on the line.

 

We have no real voice, no way to force change, no way to tackle governent head on, yet they supposedly serve us. The faux democracy we have now is a joke, it has had too much external influence for too long. FPTP is past its sell by date.

 

Basically, it's all our fault, our combined fault, for being so bloody ambivalent over the years. We are now lemmings. The electorate allowed the lazy and the ill intentioned to take over to such an extent that they are now capable of swinging a vote, entirely based on the party that will provide them with the most "free" money. They do not care about the future of the country, or indeed, in many cases even understand what a political party represents outside of the sphere of their particular area of self interest. Many of such voters do not even care what a party represents, since they are so self absorbed.

 

You reap what you sow. For me, the worst part about it is that nothing can be done if a government that has no mandate (i.e. would lose in percentage vote terms) actually makes it into power through some screwed up behind the scenes deal.

 

It is a disgrace across the board and we call ourselves an advanced democracy. What an utter joke.

 

As for UKIP. I think they pander to specific issues in order to gain votes, yet their actual politics are all over the place. Of course, myself, and almost everyone in the country, is in agreement with at least one of their policies, but they do not really represent an electable alternative at present, they are just not organised enough and flip flop around too much.

 

That said, all of the political parties we have, would sell their own mother for a vote. Promises made, broken. It's a familiar story. They are never held accountable because, again, it's illegal for the electorate to really tackle them on it, in terms of if they lied to us, they are out, by our own hand. We can't do that unless we want to break the law.

 

Fundamental changes are needed to the way this country is run. The system is old, it is corrupt, it is not representative of the population. We all know it. The endless scandals in the daily papers provides yet more evidence, if needed. There are some good politicans around, but they tend to be men or women who have lived a life, before embarking on a political career. At least they have the experience to speak on issues relevant to the people.

 

Having the above opinion leaves me in a position of really not wanting to vote for anyone. I will, but I will vote for the party that serves my overall ideals. Rather than just my personal ones.

Agreed.

And as they have given away the running of the country to foreign businesses then there is no point in voting and, because of this, I haven't voted for years but I will vote UKIP this time.

[ack-ack]

I wont be voting UKIP, i dunno why but i dont like them, it might be their faces, or maybe UKIP did something bad to me in a previous life.

[Munzy]

I wont be voting UKIP, i dunno why but i dont like them, it might be their faces, or maybe UKIP did something bad to me in a previous life.

Brilliant!

[norfolk dumpling]

In my 45yrs as a voter this is one GE that terrifies me. The SNP could change our lives (for the worse) for ever and on reflection it may have been better to let them have independence. Let's hope for a Tory majority if only to protect our sport!

[krugerandsmith]

I wont be voting UKIP, i dunno why but i dont like them, it might be their faces, or maybe UKIP did something bad to me in a previous life.

 

UKIP for my family friends and myself. Daves a proven liar ( Denied promised vote on Europe ). As is Osborn ( More in debt now than when they came to office ).