hellier0437 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 correct me if i'm wrong, but what exactly is the point of FAC air rifles? i don't see what they can do that can't be done by a cheaper .22lr, .17hmr, or a 12ft lbs air gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Each to his own mate, but :- .22lr with subs, bouncy bloody rounds, might not get that cleared for flat open stony land .17HMR - cracking, but loud FAC Air, happy compromise. Negligible ricochet, nice and quiet and extremely cheap to run. You will get it cleared where you wouldn't a .22lr and couldn't get away with the crack from the HMR. Just my view, awesome tool the FAC air rifle, has its place in the toolbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowland75 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Im looking for fac on a flat 10 acre horse yard. Theres a train line at the bottom of the run of fields, and a few houses on the perimeter. An air rifle is great for bunny control, but an fac would be better. I doubt we'll get lr etc but if I can beef up my HW80 to 20+ftlbs i'll be happy. Hope that makes sense Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 As mentioned it has it's place, I've literally only just had my rimmy so have to get used to it, but when I was out this evening there was a magpie on the floor in front of a wood in line with a tree, right up tight to the tree. In the field to my left was a horse, I weighed up the shot and left it not knowing if the subsonic would ricochett off the tree, but I would have taken it with my air FAC, the horse was not close but it was there. Bloody marvellous, while on another part of the farm earlier sitting waiting for a squirrel (which never came), a different magpie landed in a tree above me and a pigeon landed on the floor about 15 yards away, two easy shots for my s200. Always seem to take the wrong gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 The FAC air rifle is a fantastic tool. Whilst it might give you a proportionate distance to a 12lber (12lb=35-40 yds 28lb=60yds) it flattens the trajectory and provides a more forgiving distance estimation. Mixed with the quietness and safety issues they are the dogs bobbins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 As said its the versitility of them that makes them worthwhile. I have a friend who owns a 60ftlb + rapid with .177 .20 and .22 barrels so he has 3 cals and can adjust the power from 6-60ftlbs. Thats brilliant, if he is roost shooting in a barn then drop the power down but if he moves out to shoot rabbits etc push the power up. Being that he can easily taken rabbits over 100yds it makes it a pretty deadly tool too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I have a friend who owns a 60ftlb + rapid with .177 .20 and .22 barrels 60ft/lbs Are you having a giraffe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 60ft/lbs Are you having a giraffe? Actually it is do-able I DO KNOW someone with such a gun, however multi change barrels er you would also have to change the probe etc as well, plus re zero each and every time oh and 100yards, I wont do that with my rimmie, 100yards is loooooong way and a gun say running at 45lbs using bismags for instance will have a drop of 12" if its zeroed at a usefull distance say 45/50 yards, my two fac air are zeroed @ 45yards and this gives me a usefull no thought range of 15 to 65 yards. back to the subject fac air is a said a wonderfull tool where safety and quietness are paramount (yes I know safety is always paramount) but if I want to sit in a wood or pheasant pen potting bunnies fac air comes out if I want to do pest control ie bunnies inside an industrial complex again fac air comes out , golf courses with public rights of way again air, so so usefull, no richochet, can be fired safely into trees, yep usefull bits of kit fac air. cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 have been on many a walk with rimmy owning friends and taken many shots they were safely unable to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Snakebite I am not having a giraffe! I kid you not, I have seen the gun, the barrels the lot! This bloke is a seriously good shooter (he shots .20 pellets through polos at 60yds) The gun was modified by an engineer friend of his using custom parts for everything he needed to get the desired performance. The gun is unreal! Yes he does have to rezero but its nice to have the option for a change of calibre if wanted. As for drop I don't know but considering it runs at an extra 15+ftlbs on yours then I would say its practical/possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 but considering it runs at an extra 15+ftlbs on yours then I would say its practical/possible. Make that 48lb/ft more than mine. At that power I would have thought that the .177 and possibly the .20 and.22 pellets would become unstable and thus "tumble". Does he get a magazine through before having to refill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 60ft/lbs is easily do'able! unless you are aiming it just at the rapids? You can buy Daystate Air Rangers at 80ft/lbs I would have thougt at 100 yards @ 60ft/lbs would be easy enough aswell but I have never shot an FAC air rifle so I would'nt know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I would have thougt at 100 yards @ 60ft/lbs would be easy enough aswell but I have never shot an FAC air rifle so I would'nt know! sure enough some guns can go to 80ft/lbs but what are you using through them? @ 60ft/lbs put a standard 21g pellet such as a bis mag through and it is now into supersonic territory, so its down to dae sungs or solid bullet heads, not to cheap and then your into the same probs as a rimmie so pointless, my thoughts on fac air is that 30-40lbs is the optimum ie 16g pellets (aa fields in my case) 40lbs just below supersonic so quiet,accurate to a fault (never known a bunny complain) and past 100yards they should just about be losing flight stability so the will tumble and run out if steam safely and quickly cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 correct me if i'm wrong, but what exactly is the point of FAC air rifles? i don't see what they can do that can't be done by a cheaper .22lr, .17hmr, or a 12ft lbs air gun .17hmr is loud even when silenced 12 ft lb good enough for a staked out warren or inside outbuildings .My opinion but nothing more really .22lr ......a very dangerous calibre in inexperienced hands Fac Air rifle .Similar ranges to the .22lr if set at 35 ft lb using a 16 grn pellet giving an out put of 1000fps .But more expensive and more to go wrong but I chopped my .22lr in for the HMR and kept the FAC Air Rifle .. If I had thousands of acres to cover and shot mainly from a vehicle with it's high firing point then the .22lr would be my first choice .However if your walking about on the lamp and shooting off bi-pods then no matter how good you think you are you'll rick 'o' shay for England because IMHO stretch this calibre past 75 yds going for accurate head shots and it's hit and miss . To echo previous post the FAC Air rifle is more versitile .Shooters do not give them a chance opting to go straight for the .22lr and feel free to past judgement with little or no experience . In the next couple of weeks I'll be blowing the dust off mine ready for the early morning excursions at the Golf Club and when some of the greens staff start at 5am it's the right tool for the job . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I dont know if its just me but I shoot 12ft/lbs and 20flbs (owned by a shooting mate), the extra 8ft/lbs I find increases my accuracy greatly over normal ranges 35-40yrds. I also like the 20ft/lbs as it enters and mostly exits so no lead left in the rabbit for my snakes to eat!! Some-one laughed at 60ft/lbs, i have a friend who has an american Career of some description that has been chronod at 120ft/lbs....for 5 shots anyway lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I didn't think you would get a 60lb FAC air rifle in this country I see the error of my ways and apologise for being a doubter. Whilst I still cannot see the point of a 60lb'er I do see the error of my ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I didn't think you would get a 60lb FAC air rifle in this country I see the error of my ways and apologise for being a doubter. Whilst I still cannot see the point of a 60lb'er I do see the error of my ways. Well tell that to the rabbit sitting 100yds away lol. My nieghbour's is completely custom in reality he has had an engineer work on it he knows so apparently he reckons he gets quite a good shot per charge ratio. I don't know exactly but will ask next time I catch him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellier0437 Posted March 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 I stand corrected, evidently they do have their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Here, hang on there's only so much humble pie you know and at the moment it is mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Just got a FAC Rapid Myself two day's ago and what a great rifle it is can take so many more shot's I couldn't take before because it is FAC AIR !!!!!!!!!! (As apposed to a .22LR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Whilst I still cannot see the point of a 60lb'er I do see the error of my ways. nugget.gif You would if you did 2 identical targets at say 40yards one with the fac and one with a 12flbs, , the accuracy over normal ranges if better,groupings tighter and I get a lot more bunnies die without a twitch when I use My friends gun. He has an s-16 too at 30fbs and I have to say i wasnt impressed with the 12fbs version, the 30 is a whole different ball game...so much more accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 He has an s-16 too at 30fbs and I have to say i wasnt impressed with the 12fbs version, the 30 is a whole different ball game...so much more accurate Prepare to have your opinion changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Well see later, but i will only be using a 12flbs myself lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Uprating a rifles power will not make it more accurate will it? The flatter trajectory will make range finding less of an obstacle and mean you will have more chance of consistently hitting the kill zone, but that is down to"Human error" not the gun itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Increasing the rifles output will increase your overall accuracy at longer distances. The pellet will be less affected by the 'elements' at the greater speeds it will be travelling at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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