Mossyoak77 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Evening Just got a new baikal 410 hushpower yesterday and whilst instore picking up some ammunition I got hold of some cheddite 410 carts 24gr 7 1/2 subsonic cork wad , has anyone else tried these in their .410's ? they are a lot quieter than eley's subsonic load through mine not had chance to pattern test these yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Are they 24g if so I like to get my hands on them as 19g of 7s are deverstating at 25yards to rabbits Edited May 10, 2015 by littlerob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 No wonder they are subsonic , I doubt 24 grams leaves much room for powder ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossyoak77 Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 my local rfd malmo guns stocks them £8 box, I did get 1st rabbit with it using eley's subsonic no 6 18gr about 20-25 yds can you recommend me some other brands / loads to try through my baikal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Fiocchi magnum in 7.5 is good 19g hits hard eley trap in 19g of 7s and the eley for long in 7s ate real quite rio 410 are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Just assuming here but I wonder just how slow 24g will leave a 410! Pressure limitations surely are going to hold it back! Maybe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 24 grams does not fit in any .410 they are 18 gram not 24 gram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Lol, really? I use to load 21g ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 http://www.chedditeitaly.com/en/prodotti_det_1.php?id_calibro=36 que? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossyoak77 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 going to try them at different ranges see how they pattern regarding cleaning the baikal hushpower is it every 100 rounds or so ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 hey thats cool. thanks for clearing that up. clean the gun when you feel like it. i clean after every shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Its the velocity that kills not always the number of shot, but with low velocity you will never make clean kills I would suggest you start with 14 gram 2.5 inch no7.5 and the try 19 gram 3 inch and see if you can see any difference in performance The velocity of 24 gram must be so low it would tickle anything over 30 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 That's a 20 bore load in a bic pen ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Its the velocity that kills not always the number of shot, but with low velocity you will never make clean kills I would suggest you start with 14 gram 2.5 inch no7.5 and the try 19 gram 3 inch and see if you can see any difference in performance The velocity of 24 gram must be so low it would tickle anything over 30 yards I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 I disagree.Me too. There is velocity! So how low or slow must it be so it does not work any more? Would you feel safe being a test dummy? Or are we assuming again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Me too. There is velocity! So how low or slow must it be so it does not work any more? Would you feel safe being a test dummy? Or are we assuming again? i`ve shot clays with 900fps loads, not totally ideal to emulate this situation but 900fps #6 still breaks clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Had a quick root around online last night, some people talking on an Italian forum reckon that those Cheddite Silenziata have a MV of 260m/s - 850 fps (ish). Not sure I'd be happy using it on live quarry. Clays, it doesn't matter if you 'wound' one, rabbits it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Bit quicker than an average air gun then! I knew they would be down to cater for old guns! Edited May 13, 2015 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 there"s one thing that you can be sure of there"s not a lot of powder in them lol but if they work for you they will kill just like out else and like any other cartridge they will have there limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HushpowerTrim Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Being new to shotguns I can only apply what I know from air rifle shooting....... Speed is completely relevant to weight of individual lead shot... Small lead ball (light) requires allot more speed to have the same power as a large lead ball (heavy)... Imagine getting hit by a fether at 60mph and a car at at the same speed, However.... Where shotguns and air rifles/ rifles differ is with shot placement. It takes very little power to brake through a rabbits skull (around 3ftlbs) I would guess an individual #4 lead shot fired at 1000fps still has this power at 50y maybe more? What I am getting at is that low velocity cartrages containing big shot size paired with a tight choke are just as effective as fast small shot in the right hands! Food for thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Being new to shotguns I can only apply what I know from air rifle shooting....... Speed is completely relevant to weight of individual lead shot... Small lead ball (light) requires allot more speed to have the same power as a large lead ball (heavy)... Imagine getting hit by a fether at 60mph and a car at at the same speed, However.... Where shotguns and air rifles/ rifles differ is with shot placement. It takes very little power to brake through a rabbits skull (around 3ftlbs) I would guess an individual #4 lead shot fired at 1000fps still has this power at 50y maybe more? What I am getting at is that low velocity cartrages containing big shot size paired with a tight choke are just as effective as fast small shot in the right hands! Food for thought Err no.You would have more chance of regularly shooting a rabbit in the head at 50yds with your air rifle and wound less than you would relying in #4 shot to do the same at 50yds from a scatter gun! Way to many rely on numbers for this game! I remember when folk had fun with bikes under 100bhp. Now everyone has 200bhp. Funny thing is, the journey takes just as long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 UD. i`m going to have to slightly disagree with you on this. but i will clearly state why. #4 subs and #2 subs pattern really tight through any choke. i get full patterns out of every choke. i also get neat even patterns. i`ve tested enough to know that. even with "minimal shot charges" of 1,1/8oz lead. so it is a "moot" point about solely basing a cartridge lethality on "one" or "1" or "1/191" shot / pieces of shot. at 40 yards #4 (mv 1000fps) has more energy than the #6 (Mv 1500fps). i cant see where "relying" on numbers comes into it. this catridge #4 subsonic is a classic... big shot and enough of it, going fast enough to do "something". i can also tell you that other people are having great results, even loading #3 lead. shotguns are soo low tech its un believable. its a skill based sport. dare i say that even some shooters are better than others? i bet Mr Digweed MBE could beat be at a clay competition..... there is no cartridge that could ever make me shoot better. my #4 subsonic is and was supposed to produce way better performance than #6 at 1500fps MV. thats all i wanted and better performance at 40 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HushpowerTrim Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I like the numbers The ftlbs in a shotgun cartridge is incredible! For example... If each individual shot has 8ftlb at 30y and you hit a pigeon centre mass with maybe only 10 individual shot that's 80ftlbs of energy!!!!!!! that pigeon just received more hitting power than my fac air rifle could ever dream of delivering!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 UD. i`m going to have to slightly disagree with you on this. but i will clearly state why. #4 subs and #2 subs pattern really tight through any choke. i get full patterns out of every choke. i also get neat even patterns. i`ve tested enough to know that. even with "minimal shot charges" of 1,1/8oz lead. so it is a "moot" point about solely basing a cartridge lethality on "one" or "1" or "1/191" shot / pieces of shot. at 40 yards #4 (mv 1000fps) has more energy than the #6 (Mv 1500fps). i cant see where "relying" on numbers comes into it. this catridge #4 subsonic is a classic... big shot and enough of it, going fast enough to do "something". i can also tell you that other people are having great results, even loading #3 lead. shotguns are soo low tech its un believable. its a skill based sport. dare i say that even some shooters are better than others? i bet Mr Digweed MBE could beat be at a clay competition..... there is no cartridge that could ever make me shoot better. my #4 subsonic is and was supposed to produce way better performance than #6 at 1500fps MV. thats all i wanted and better performance at 40 yards. I agree cookie. My previous text said 'in the head regularly with wounding'. Don't miss that small point in my previous as it changes the context a little. I have no issue with lower velocities. I use front stuffers! A grand fps is good for me any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 agreed. coo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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