kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Does any one no If being in the army for 12 years and having range safety qauls will help we obtaining my section 1 fac only after 22lr bolt and semi then later on apply for full bore relly want a lee enfield mk4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Wont make a blind bit of difference mate... they aren't really interested in whether you are qualified or safe on a range under supervision of a RCO... they need to make sure you will be safe out on your own in the general population with a firearm and won't pose a threat to public safety... Knowing when it's safe to shoot on a range with big, purpose built backstops and a couple of clicks falloff area behind is not the same as knowing when it's safe to shoot in a field with backstops of unknown quality and possibly no real fall off! that aside, the main scope of the application process is to make sure you have no intemperate habits, are not a known criminal, have no violent or other undesirable tendencies and have no mental health issues.... Your range quals can't help them with that. You don't need to go through a 'ramping up' process as far as calibre is concerned... full bore / small bore... all the same in the eyes of plod when you first apply. All you need to do is show you are fit and proper and have a legitimate need for each firearm... As you want a No4, I'm guessing you aren't intending to stalk deer, I would therefore suggest your first port of call, if you haven't done so already, is to join a local HO approved target shooting club and go through the process to become a full member... Once you have done that you will have 'good reason' and be in a position to apply for your FAC and you can then ask for whatever you like as long as your club has the facility to use each weapon.. i.e. no point asking for a .338LM if your club only has access to a .22 range.. Edited September 2, 2015 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Wont make a blind bit of difference mate... they aren't really interested in whether you are qualified or safe on a range under supervision of a RCO... they need to make sure you will be safe out on your own in the general population with a firearm and won't pose a threat to public safety... Knowing when it's safe to shoot on a range with big, purpose built backstops and a couple of clicks falloff area behind is not the same as knowing when it's safe to shoot in a field with backstops of unknown quality and possibly no real fall off! that aside, the main scope of the application process is to make sure you have no intemperate habits, are not a known criminal, have no violent or other undesirable tendencies and have no mental health issues.... Your range quals can't help them with that. You don't need to go through a 'ramping up' process as far as calibre is concerned... full bore / small bore... all the same in the eyes of plod when you first apply. All you need to do is show you are fit and proper and have a legitimate need for each firearm... As you want a No4, I'm guessing you aren't intending to stalk deer, I would therefore suggest your first port of call, if you haven't done so already, is to join a local HO approved target shooting club and go through the process to become a full member... Once you have done that you will have 'good reason' and be in a position to apply for your FAC and you can then ask for whatever you like as long as your club has the facility to use each weapon.. i.e. no point asking for a .338LM if your club only has access to a .22 range.. I'm already a member of a club m8 but it's only 22lr so got to join a bigger club but not just yet so that's why I am only applying for 22lr yer got no criminal record never been even told off by a police officer not mental either I have acess to fire arms on a daily basis and usely as I'm a nco I'm the one on graud duty who holds the keys for rifle and ammo and obviously not done anything nuts or want to so I was hoping stuff like that would help dont want to hunt just targets but to be fair when your doing live firing excersize you have to be very carefull cause you quite easily hurt some one when your doing say a section attack in the middle of a training area you have to be aware at all times where your rifles pointing and what's in the distance I just fought maybe they take into account the fact when I'm on duty with a rifle I could do somthink stupid but havnt also what I mean by safety qaul CMCQ Means I'm the one watching the soldiers to make sure there not unsafe but thanks for the advice I did think what you wad saying was case Edited September 2, 2015 by kory1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Don't even think they look for trace military other than Courts Marshal info... The only time it was ever brought up with me was when I got into a conversation about past lives with my FLO when he asked what experience I had with bang sticks... turned out we were both ex squaddies.. but that was the first he had known about it and at the point you are getting a visit it's pretty much a done deal anyway! As said though... they are not really interested in what you or I would naturally assume they were.. plus of course, as a club going target shooter you are always going to be under the watchful eye of a RCO anyway! As long as you have good reason they will not distinguish between sb/fb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kory First of all welcome to PW. Secondly, and please do not take offence to this, but when applying for your FAC it might be use to use both a spell check plus some paragraphs? Now that's out of the way (it's four in the morning so maybe my own Grammar is to be questioned but my eyes are hardly open). Let's talk about your intended use! As stated above with the Lee Enfield reference and also I note in another thread your mention of Aldershot then may I suggest that you join the NRA at Bisley - just down the road ( as I'm sure you already utilise it in your current employ with HM Forces ). By becoming a member here for the required period then as long as the other criteria are met then the 'Good Reason' I'll be fulfilled. Ps, mention of throwing some 5.56 at would be naughty people, is possibly not something to mention to your FLO...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Does any one no If being in the army for 12 years and having range safety qauls will help we obtaining my section 1 fac only after 22lr bolt and semi then later on apply for full bore relly want a lee enfield mk4 I was in the infantry, when I had my interview it went for me I was told ,didn't need a mentor due to being army trained , never asked about gun safety was more concerned with my state of mind as I put on the forms suffered with depression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 OP give me a shout if you like and I can help. It can help I renewed a lapped FAC after being in Canada for a bit, the fact I planned field firing and controlled ranges for up to 1,000 people did no harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Don't even think they look for trace military other than Courts Marshal info... The only time it was ever brought up with me was when I got into a conversation about past lives with my FLO when he asked what experience I had with bang sticks... turned out we were both ex squaddies.. but that was the first he had known about it and at the point you are getting a visit it's pretty much a done deal anyway! As said though... they are not really interested in what you or I would naturally assume they were.. plus of course, as a club going target shooter you are always going to be under the watchful eye of a RCO anyway! As long as you have good reason they will not distinguish between sb/fb Bang sticks bloody hell you must of been in a while ago hear a lot of the older guys going on about them thanks for the reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kory First of all welcome to PW. Secondly, and please do not take offence to this, but when applying for your FAC it might be use to use both a spell check plus some paragraphs? Now that's out of the way (it's four in the morning so maybe my own Grammar is to be questioned but my eyes are hardly open). Let's talk about your intended use! As stated above with the Lee Enfield reference and also I note in another thread your mention of Aldershot then may I suggest that you join the NRA at Bisley - just down the road ( as I'm sure you already utilise it in your current employ with HM Forces ). By becoming a member here for the required period then as long as the other criteria are met then the 'Good Reason' I'll be fulfilled. Ps, mention of throwing some 5.56 at would be naughty people, is possibly not something to mention to your FLO...... Yer none taken m8 yer I know I make sure my spelling on the ball when I apply I find spelling difficult at times just done my English level 2 passed it but it was emotional lol yer that was joke m8 defo wouldn't be saying anythink about stuff like that to the police waiting on my rifle cabinet should be coming to day OP give me a shout if you like and I can help. It can help I renewed a lapped FAC after being in Canada for a bit, the fact I planned field firing and controlled ranges for up to 1,000 people did no harm. thanks m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 I was in the infantry, when I had my interview it went for me I was told ,didn't need a mentor due to being army trained , never asked about gun safety was more concerned with my state of mind as I put on the forms suffered with depression ok thanks m8 you got a cz 452 I was thinking of getting that for my frist rifle if they let me have a FAC are they any good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 I think it also depends on the FEO and also it certainly won't harm you to talk of your experience, whether it's set in stone how much it helps on the other hand... I would definitely talk about your time served as a positive to your gun safety and level of discipline and that will just add to your credentials, best of luck :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Depends on who is behind he desk and exactly what your military training and qualifications were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 It really depends on your FEO. I'm in a similar position having done 12 years in RAF. When my FEO came round he was happy not to discuss safety requirements based on military experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 It really depends on your FEO. I'm in a similar position having done 12 years in RAF. When my FEO came round he was happy not to discuss safety requirements based on military experience. Thought you said RAF then you talk about military 😈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Cz are work horses trigger job and there perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Armed forces gives you no exclusions but certainly stops FEO's from asking to many questions. It's taken that you are trained and reasonably safe, although plenty numbskulls in the military are unsafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Armed forces gives you no exclusions but certainly stops FEO's from asking to many questions. It's taken that you are trained and reasonably safe, although plenty numbskulls in the military are unsafe.+1Thought you said RAF then you talk about military 😈 True. But I guess that's what you get when you try harder at school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Depends on who is behind he desk and exactly what your military training and qualifications were I'm still in m8It really depends on your FEO. I'm in a similar position having done 12 years in RAF. When my FEO came round he was happy not to discuss safety requirements based on military experience. Kool Thought you said RAF then you talk about military Lol raf get so much **** lol I no a couple of raf lads there ok +1 True. But I guess that's what you get when you try harder at school. Fair one lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 .....having done 12 years in RAF. ....happy not to discuss safety requirements based on military experience. Were you in the Army Cadets aswell at some point then? Sorry, couldnt resist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Were you in the Army Cadets aswell at some point then? Sorry, couldnt resist... Very good made me chuckle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 ok thanks m8 you got a cz 452 I was thinking of getting that for my frist rifle if they let me have a FAC are they any good I'm a CZ snob I'm afraid , can't fault them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kory 1986 , If you fit the criteria to own a gun then you will be issued with your licence . It's quite simple really . You need to be a person of good character and have a good reason to want to have a firearm ,target shooting or pest control ,deer stalking ect . If target shooting then you will need to belong to a club .If deer stalking or pest control then you will need to have a permission to shoot on . Being ex military I would have thought would help with your application . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kory1986 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kory 1986 , If you fit the criteria to own a gun then you will be issued with your licence . It's quite simple really . You need to be a person of good character and have a good reason to want to have a firearm ,target shooting or pest control ,deer stalking ect . If target shooting then you will need to belong to a club .If deer stalking or pest control then you will need to have a permission to shoot on . Being ex military I would have thought would help with your application . Harnser I'm a member of a target club m8 and I'm still serving but I enjoying civillan shooting more than in the army still like shooting in the army but like it even more on a civilian range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairmullen Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 I was in the infantry, when I had my interview it went for me I was told ,didn't need a mentor due to being army trained , never asked about gun safety was more concerned with my state of mind as I put on the forms suffered with depression Sorry to go off subject, I suffer from a mild depression, however it's gotten a lot better recently (over the past year) I'm now looking at applying for my FAC in the coming months. Without taking over this topic, could you possibly message me about the things you were asked? And any extra processes you went through? Such as speaking to your GP? I'm worried sick I won't get my FAC and i think it would possibly kill the sport for me if I wasn't able to have my own rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Yer none taken m8 yer I know I make sure my spelling on the ball when I apply I find spelling difficult at times just done my English level 2 passed it but it was emotional lol yer that was joke m8 defo wouldn't be saying anythink about stuff like that to the police waiting on my rifle cabinet should be coming to day thanks m8 ******* hell Sluff Boy BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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