sitsinhedges Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 It becomes a wad cutter and shocking blunt instrument . Deadly on small game . Harnser Be interesting to know how efficiently the powder pushes against a bullet shaped surface if the head is turned around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Be interesting to know how efficiently the powder pushes against a bullet shaped surface if the head is turned around Don't shoot with your head the wrong way, make sure you can see what your shooting at! Don't load hollow points or frangible bullets backwards ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Be interesting to know how efficiently the powder pushes against a bullet shaped surface if the head is turned around Around nose or pointed bullet would proberbly act something like a boat tail . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Around nose or pointed bullet would proberbly act something like a boat tail . Harnser I could see pressures rising with a back to front bullet. The rising pressure against a point wouldn't seem a very efficient way of sending it up a barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I could see pressures rising with a back to front bullet. The rising pressure against a point wouldn't seem a very efficient way of sending it up a barrel.What's efficiency got to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) If some don't fancy goining backwards how about this instead. Made with a home made die and sharp file. U. Edited October 8, 2015 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Artisan stuff that from UD the knowledgeable one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Artisan stuff that from UD the knowledgeable one!Lol, I don't know everything bud and what I do know won't buy me another single day to my life will it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Lol, I don't know everything bud and what I do know won't buy me another single day to my life will it! You carry on dog . Us old buffalo hunters know how to put m eat in the freezer . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) I load 308 in sub sonic. 1020fps. At 100 meters I group at 1 inch. Bullets are ppu fmj 174grIn and loaded backwards. Reason is not to help part energy but to aid stabilisation. At low speeds you need a good tail on the bullet. Took me a long time to get it to shoot well, and loading is not easy to load. With a 150gn hunting load zeroes at 100 meters I get 16" drop with the subsonic loading. I have shot rabbits with them and it smashes the pants of them. Not shot for yet but I would have no issues doing it as I know it put it down on the spotter. Noise wise, its not that quite. There is a good crack from them when up against a wood but very usable. Next one I want to do is the 6.5se Edited October 8, 2015 by activeviii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 I load 308 in sub sonic. 1020fps. At 100 meters I group at 1 inch. Bullets are ppu fmj 174grIn and loaded backwards. Reason is not to help part energy but to aid stabilisation. At low speeds you need a good tail on the bullet. Took me a long time to get it to shoot well, and loading is not easy to load. With a 150gn hunting load zeroes at 100 meters I get 16" drop with the subsonic loading. I have shot rabbits with them and it smashes the pants of them. Not shot for yet but I would have no issues doing it as I know it put it down on the spotter. Noise wise, its not that quite. There is a good crack from them when up against a wood but very usable. Next one I want to do is the 6.5se Nice one bud.One foul night, a gale, I had promised my game dealer a load of rabbit. I adjusted the scope on my 308 and gave it to the rifleman instead of him using his 22. We got a good haul, no windage issues and it was fun. Seeing the bullet illuminated by the lamp going was good. It would be a faff to do that all the time but it was a good exercise all the same. A dedicated rifle such as the op would be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 You carry on dog . Us old buffalo hunters know how to put m eat in the freezer . Harnser ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) What's efficiency got to do with it? Surely the energy has to go somewhere if not cleanly forward as the gases expand? Edited October 9, 2015 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Still don't see what efficiency has to do with it bud. Where do you think the energy goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Thats some "bodge" loading set up you have there UD are they all seated to the same length ? You clearly know what your doing UD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 The other "neat trick" about loading bullets backwards is quite an old one, but to has the most part been forgotten, unless you have read the right books WW1, trenches. Lots of British casualties from German snipers. As time passes the British sniper comes into being & starts to answer back. The German snipers then adapt & start to shoot from behind specialist armoured steel loopholes made from bullet proof steel. Here's where the expertise of some of the officers attached to or running the British sniper schools came into play. Rifle bullets were pulled, then seated base first, and loaded singly. Went through the German armoured loopholes like the hammer of Thor... Nice to see more great posts from UD, on a topic that he has a lot of knowledge & experience of....some other posts however, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Thats some "bodge" loading set up you have there UD are they all seated to the same length ? You clearly know what your doing UD They shot well, in real world hunting distance.The started at 180grn and where still around 175grn. They were loaded first then filed. The die holds them still. Edited October 9, 2015 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Still don't see what efficiency has to do with it bud. Where do you think the energy goes? A pointed bullet is designed to penetrate easily by deflecting material around itself, I was wondering whether a pointed bullet head might deflect expanding gases more than a flat surface, even momentarily, causing a pressure spike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 A pointed bullet is designed to penetrate easily by deflecting material around itself, I was wondering whether a pointed bullet head might deflect expanding gases more than a flat surface, even momentarily, causing a pressure spike. deflect it where bud and how is that going to cause a pressure spike? I have never had a case show any sign of excessive pressure from this practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 A pointed bullet is designed to penetrate easily by deflecting material around itself, I was wondering whether a pointed bullet head might deflect expanding gases more than a flat surface, even momentarily, causing a pressure spike. So....loading the bullet point backwards allows propellant gas to flow PAST the bullet; even though said bullet is travelling down a rifle barrel & there is nowhere FOR the gas to flow to (apart from forwards) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) So....loading the bullet point backwards allows propellant gas to flow PAST the bullet; even though said bullet is travelling down a rifle barrel & there is nowhere FOR the gas to flow to (apart from forwards) ? The propellant cannot flow PAST the bullet, only as far as where the taper ends. No different to a boat tail Should have read the quote in the previous post before typing this reply. Edited October 9, 2015 by hambone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 The propellant cannot flow PAST the bullet, only as far as where the taper ends. No different to a boat tail Should have read the quote in the previous post before typing this reply. & re-read my reply - which was in response to the sitsinhedges post I WAS backing up the previous post - as HOW could the gas flow ANYWHERE aside from forwards?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 & re-read my reply - which was in response to the sitsinhedges post I WAS backing up the previous post - as HOW could the gas flow ANYWHERE aside from forwards?? I replied to your post, then I thought it made no sense so I relooked at it and then edited my post to reflect the fact that I had misinterpreted your post. You have now looked at my post and commented on the fact that I commented on your post and got it wrong etc etc. I must point out however that the gas if failing to go FORWARDS could go backwards or indeed sidewards, not that I think putting a bullet into a cartridge pointy end first is likely to cause this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 deflect it where bud and how is that going to cause a pressure spike? I have never had a case show any sign of excessive pressure from this practice. Does pressure act in a perpendicular fashion to any given surface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Does pressure act in a perpendicular fashion to any given surface? Not sure but quite probably, I assume! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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