dabbers Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 litter looks excellent but parents have no eye ,hip score or elbow results or tests,,should i leave alone ,really like the look of them,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Only one person can make that decision and thats you , personally speaking I would not be interested as I dont fancy the idea of bonding with a pup only to have to have it PTS 6 months down the line , its your gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Being able to see both parents if possible would be more important than any hip scores etc, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 thanks , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Do you know the parents and have you seen them work? In the past I wouldn't have been to worried about hip score but having seen a couple of dogs suffer from hip problems I would like to see some paperwork. As said above, only you can make the call. It may be cheeper to buy a pup without any medical certificates in the pedigree, but ongoing vet bills will far out way any savings made. If you have seen both parents work a full day and seen them after then that will give you a fair clue as to how strong they are. Good luck in finding the right pup for you. ATB Sabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 walked away ,thanks for your help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 good decision, plenty about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Give bigbird on here a shout, she is in touch with a lot of breeders and will give you lots of helpfull advice I feel you have made the right decision to walk away. Your shooting companion needs to be fit and strong enough to last more than a season or two. Best of luck Sabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) If you are on mykc and know the registered names you can check up on parents's litter mates if not tested plus tests throughout the ancestry which would give you a good idea ( although not exhaustive) on what pups may be like. As well as eye hip and elbow tests I would be looking for others such as SD2 (dwarfism), EIC (exercise induced collapse) CNM (something else technical sounding) as well as PRA which are the minimum tests on top of the annual eye test, hip and now scores I would be looking for. That said I am uber fussy so don't take my word as gospel, there's many a fabulous lab out there with no health tests to speak of who are going strong and are healthy. It's up to you Edited October 17, 2015 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 If you are on mykc and know the registered names you can check up on parents's litter mates if not tested plus tests throughout the ancestry which would give you a good idea ( although not exhaustive) on what pups may be like. As well as eye hip and elbow tests I would be looking for others such as SD2 (dwarfism), EIC (exercise induced collapse) CNM (something else technical sounding) as well as PRA which are the minimum tests on top of the annual eye test, hip and now scores I would be looking for. That said I am uber fussy so don't take my word as gospel, there's many a fabulous lab out there with no health tests to speak of who are going strong and are healthy. It's up to you Now that is proper advice Told you BB knows her stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Now that is proper advice Told you BB knows her stuff and the last bit is the most relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 If you are on mykc and know the registered names you can check up on parents's litter mates if not tested plus tests throughout the ancestry which would give you a good idea ( although not exhaustive) on what pups may be like. As well as eye hip and elbow tests I would be looking for others such as SD2 (dwarfism), EIC (exercise induced collapse) CNM (something else technical sounding) as well as PRA which are the minimum tests on top of the annual eye test, hip and now scores I would be looking for. That said I am uber fussy so don't take my word as gospel, there's many a fabulous lab out there with no health tests to speak of who are going strong and are healthy. It's up to you i,m afraid there was only verbal history of parents and absolutely no tests or results ,pedigrees ,he knew all about shooting but to me a bit lacking in presenting a pup to its new owners,fellow was a lovely person,but for half a grand i expected a bit more,however i hope his pups are ok and wish him all the best,i,m going to see another litter today ,they have all the papers ,but as you say the best pup might be the one i rejected,still feel i made the right decision,hard as it was, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 i,m afraid there was only verbal history of parents and absolutely no tests or results ,pedigrees ,he knew all about shooting but to me a bit lacking in presenting a pup to its new owners,fellow was a lovely person,but for half a grand i expected a bit more,however i hope his pups are ok and wish him all the best,i,m going to see another litter today ,they have all the papers ,but as you say the best pup might be the one i rejected,still feel i made the right decision,hard as it was, For £500 you definitely made the right choice , I picked a pup up with a very good pedigree , both injection , chipped , KC registered from health checked parents of which the breeder had both to look at for £400 . The only possible reason I can see for buying a unregistered pup with no heath checks on the parents would be that it should be cheap , seems the one you looked at was not even that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1966 Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) i would think for that money you could get one with all the papers, although the prices of pups seem to vary quite a bit. when i got my first about 12 years ago i paid about £500 which seemed a lot then, but she was from a gun dog breeder and turned out a great family pet. we are thinking of getting another pup next spring and looking around prices seem to be around the £650 mark, which allowing for inflation does not seem bad. although just reading fenboys post above it seems they can be found cheaper Edited October 18, 2015 by paul1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Fenboy sounds very similar to mine £400 both parents health checked good pedigree jabbed I saw both parents where did you get yours from and how old is he/she mine is 24 weeks old and came from Northants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 There are many litters out there available at many different prices. The OP made the right choice to walk away from the litter he was thinking about. At the price they were charging, I would have expected to see all the relevant paperwork in place. Had they been less than £250, then you would have to take your own chances. There are many a good litter out there available with good pedigrees, including health checks for less than £500. Shop around, you want a strong companion that will serve you for many seasons. if you were only after a pet then the original little may have sufficed for many years. If it would have made the grade of a gundog and shooting companion, alas, we will never know. Keep searching, you will find the right dog for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Some of the best dogs I have seen from 50 years of shooting came from cross mongrels. I know you have made yor mind up, but just for info really. They do not have be expensive dogs to train, They ALL Learn.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) just an update.not 15minutes driving time from my original post litter i saw in the same advert another litter,,all checks done kc reg,,wormed .1st jag,breeder is a vet,what a difference,,saw parents and granny,and pedigree collect our pup next week,, wasnt really bothered about pedigree it was ,to me the fact that at no time were the parents heatlh checked,,,,irresponsible,, original litter i,m refering to.. thanks for your help.. Edited October 22, 2015 by dabbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 None of my dogs are KC registered ,nor yet eye or hip tested. I breed from dogs I know , from within the fowling community and would put any one of my dogs against anyone's dogs for ability , energy , fitness and overall health. The difference is that when I want a pup , I choose the parents from dogs I know and therefor avoid ,as much as is possible , health problems. So don't tar us all with the same brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 None of my dogs are KC registered ,nor yet eye or hip tested. I breed from dogs I know , from within the fowling community and would put any one of my dogs against anyone's dogs for ability , energy , fitness and overall health. The difference is that when I want a pup , I choose the parents from dogs I know and therefor avoid ,as much as is possible , health problems. So don't tar us all with the same brush. This is a genuine question as I'm thinking of having a litter off my Lab bitch. How do you know there is no inbreeding if you can't see the dogs line? Surely that's one of the main factors regarding dogs health problems isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 None of my dogs are KC registered ,nor yet eye or hip tested. I breed from dogs I know , from within the fowling community and would put any one of my dogs against anyone's dogs for ability , energy , fitness and overall health. The difference is that when I want a pup , I choose the parents from dogs I know and therefor avoid ,as much as is possible , health problems. So don't tar us all with the same brush. totally different scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 All the dogs I use have pedigree, but I don't register the pups. Therefore the parentage can be seen. I only breed from working dogs too. I have three labs , two dogs and a bitch. I always use or of mine with someone else's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1966 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 if i were looking for a pup i would probably consider one of yours as you obviously put a lot of thought in the breeding of your pups, its the ones that just pair any dog and bitch and then want £600 a pup that gives others bad rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 if i were looking for a pup i would probably consider one of yours as you obviously put a lot of thought in the breeding of your pups, its the ones that just pair any dog and bitch and then want £600 a pup that gives others bad rep.Thank you for that.I don't breed for money , I do it for a pup , or if someone I know needs one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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