spinach Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 We had been doing well till last week when all whistles mean recall. She's done this before when everything changed to mean sit. I'm going to do some yard work with her and go through everything for a week and nothing else. Ah well could be worse. She has a look of pure incredulity when pulled up. Any hints. I'm sure she'll put things right , perhaps I over praise a recall and that's what she's looking for. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) What do you do after she's stopped on the whistle John? If you're stopping her then calling her to you straight away afterwards she will anticipate that hence the recall instead of the stop. Assuming that this is the case (and I could be wrong) what I do when teaching the stop whistle once they've got the hang of it is to stop them at fairly close quarters when hunting, walk up to them, give them a quick touch under the chin then back off to where I was before and give them the next command, usually to hunt on again. Edited December 7, 2015 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee-kinsman Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'll second what bigbird said. You can also throw the occasional retrieve from your stop hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Are you Whistling distinct commands, on a shoot recently a guy with a cocker when he whistled his dog I couldn't tell the difference between the recall, sit or put the kettle on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Bigbird, again you've got it, I couldn't remember how I was told to do it. Just like the sit/wait they stay still you move! Incidentally she's doing well but everything revolves around my commands ,Emma's mean something else she's less attentive for her but is good. Our only problem is I can't get her in the house as Emma no problem. She doesn't run off just sits and hopes well go out again till I get the lead then in she comes ! Oh and she is the most loved dog ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ben- Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 i have found that when they start doing this whenever i take them out for walks after work i will throw some stop commands whilst im walking them on the lead and at heel to bring them back to basics i find it easier to manage it and occasionally throw in one at distance and don't always recall the straight after mix it up and don't always make it like a training session just in usual daily routines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Thanks Ben, I try to mix training with walks life etc but found the stop difficult outside of it. Just a little forethought might work it out. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ok it sounds like a) she's a touch insecure or b) you've inadvertently thought her the stop whistle means recall or c) a combination of both. Take a deep breath and start over at close quarters. The touch under the chin is to reassure her and the backing off is to stop you from calling in. You'll be fine :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul taylor Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Could anyone help me out with how to start training the stop command pls. Springer 2yr old will recall on 4 toots will look at me for directions on 2 toots he's not 100% but so keen to work/please it's hard to reign him in at times. Will sit and stay but only if near me, won't let me walk away just gets up and follows. Any advice much appreciated ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Bigbird, I do think your right ,we may be both insecur !!! We've been in the yard earlier and I think my final peep of come back has elongated to the sit peeeep. It really does help to have someone looking at what your doing , even if its cyber watching. Deep breath anyway, she's a cracking springer and I've got work to do and see through the love and see the mistakes. She loves pleasing it's my direction that probably isn't helping. Thank you again mystic Bigbird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Could anyone help me out with how to start training the stop command pls. Springer 2yr old will recall on 4 toots will look at me for directions on 2 toots he's not 100% but so keen to work/please it's hard to reign him in at times. Will sit and stay but only if near me, won't let me walk away just gets up and follows. Any advice much appreciated ta. Sounds like your basic training has not been done thoroughly enough. My lab is now nearly 9 months old. I have been focusing for weeks on just walking to heel and staying where i tell him to sit. I will not be doing much else until he is rock steady. I think you should go back to basics, but i think you have an uphill task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Could anyone help me out with how to start training the stop command pls. Springer 2yr old will recall on 4 toots will look at me for directions on 2 toots he's not 100% but so keen to work/please it's hard to reign him in at times. Will sit and stay but only if near me, won't let me walk away just gets up and follows. Any advice much appreciated ta. Its a case of re-enforcing your command , get him so he will sit to a whistle command . Once he will do that it is a case of walking him at heel blow the sit command but carry on walking a couple of steps , if he stays go straight back and give him some praise , if he does not then take him back to where he was when you blew the whistle and re-enforce the command , gradually build up the distance you walk off before returning . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Could anyone help me out with how to start training the stop command pls. Springer 2yr old will recall on 4 toots will look at me for directions on 2 toots he's not 100% but so keen to work/please it's hard to reign him in at times. Will sit and stay but only if near me, won't let me walk away just gets up and follows. Any advice much appreciated ta. If you pm me I think I know of someone in your area who'll be able to help you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Heel,Sit Stay, Wants to be 100%,or very near before casting off. Whistle,, needs (1) SHARP Blow. Not 2 or more.. Thunderer comes to mind.. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Heel,Sit Stay, Wants to be 100%,or very near before casting off. Whistle,, needs (1) SHARP Blow. Not 2 or more.. Thunderer comes to mind.. Good Luck. I have never seen much point in a thunderer or different whistle for the stop , by the time you have faffed about getting the right whistle to your mouth the dog has got a chase etc well under way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Heel,Sit Stay, Wants to be 100%,or very near before casting off. Whistle,, needs (1) SHARP Blow. Not 2 or more.. Thunderer comes to mind.. Good Luck. Sharp blow, yes. Ear splittingly loud blow, no. If you blast it every single time you have nowhere to go if you need to REALLY get the dog's attention. Of course in an ideal world that will never happen but there just might be that one occasion... And you can bet your bottom dollar it'll be when you are in a situation where you can't correct the dog. Plus there's nothing worse than noisy handlers blowing their whistle as loudly and as often as they possibly can at every opportunity, especially if they're next to you in a beating line, dreadful! Edited December 8, 2015 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point and shoot Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I always used one pip to stop and one pip with a raised hand (like a police stop signal) to stop - sit. Then hand signal to right or left or back to direct the dog.Two pips to recall/ come here. Worked well for me. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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