felly100 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 If he was walking at the time of the incident he would not have insurance, so its a civil matter. take him to the small claims court ? and risk losing the case. i think not. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Biker to biker here. Sorry I'd be telling you the same as he did but this is my opinion sorry. I always carry my helmet but also I wear mine with a few chips in anyway. Your meant to replace after a crash really as the internal she'll gets damaged unlike a 18" fall . ( others will disagree I know) I managed to split a lid in two on the outer shell. I hit a tree in a race lol. Damaged my hearing for years. I guess it's lesson learned the hard way Edited May 5, 2016 by team tractor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Well i think you are moraly in the right after all he did physicaly cause the helmet to fall off by pushing past it where there was barely enough room, but getting any where with regards compensation i think is just not practical and not worth the effort. Just think you have to put it down to one of lifes experiencesand move on. I must say if you esspecialy vallue the helmet you could have passed the strap through the frame and fastened it, but hindsight is a wonderfull thing and envissaging this probably not that obvious as you parked tight to the bank and the helmet was bank side. Being flipant to save it happening again take off the indicators mudguards mirrors anything hard tail it and fit a 15 inch rear wheel and cross ply tyre. then you wont have much to hang your hellmet on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Like Keg i'm staggered that a drop of less than 2 feet would render a helmet useless, especially if only falling onto gravel and turf. If £400 lids are made of such material that they would incur a fracture that would compromise the integrity of the helmet for such a small drop then I am trully stunned. As for your question, I think Falcon summed it up well, it's a bit of blame on both sides and some times bad luck happens. If a simple accident such as this means an insurance claim or other private court action then we all need 3rd party liability insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Like Keg i'm staggered that a drop of less than 2 feet would render a helmet useless, especially if only falling onto gravel and turf. If £400 lids are made of such material that they would incur a fracture that would compromise the integrity of the helmet for such a small drop then I am trully stunned. As for your question, I think Falcon summed it up well, it's a bit of blame on both sides and some times bad luck happens. If a simple accident such as this means an insurance claim or other private court action then we all need 3rd party liability insurance. Pollycarbonate helmets are pretty common place have been years, some say no stickers paint or scratches but if this is true or not i dont know. I all ways have bell stars had the one i have now since 1980, had the leather repaired and replaced but its still the same skull. Fibre glass ones like the bell are reparable sprayable etc but not so much with polly helmets i was informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I am just staggered that something you would trust your life to can be so fragile that a teeny bump would make it unsafe. I don't doubt you at all in your understanding of these things, i'm really just thinking out loud how absurd it is that such a trivial thing could make such a critical bit of safety equipment useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VULTURE Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Hi. I have plenty of witnesses, anyhow the the question I asked was "am I in the wrong to ask for compensation", not how to or who's at fault, on saying that I would offer to pay for a new helmet if did the same. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I am just staggered that something you would trust your life to can be so fragile that a teeny bump would make it unsafe. I don't doubt you at all in your understanding of these things, i'm really just thinking out loud how absurd it is that such a trivial thing could make such a critical bit of safety equipment useless. A good quality bike helmet is actually very strong. It`s not so much that a small drop will make the helmet unsafe, it`s that it might make it unsafe. Your lid being the major piece of safety equipment you wear, do you really want to take any chances that it might be compromised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sou'Wester Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I don't think it would render it unsafe, it's almost certainly fine. But the risk would be for each individual to assess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 A little video here showing how much abuse a decent helmet can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Hi. I have plenty of witnesses, anyhow the the question I asked was "am I in the wrong to ask for compensation", not how to or who's at fault, on saying that I would offer to pay for a new helmet if did the same. Cheers No i dont think you are technicaly in the wrong. And no i do not think you will get a judgement against him, dont care how many others will stand by you. Trust me here , just walk away and LEARN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 If it's on a private road don't think your insurance comes into it. Becomes a civil claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VULTURE Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Hi again ,pic of the worst damage to helmet, I couldn't get the scratches to show. Those marks are several MM deep so are in my opinion structural Edited May 5, 2016 by VULTURE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Hi again ,pic of the worst damage to helmet, I couldn't get the scratches to show. Those marks are several MM deep so are in my opinion structural What helmet is it, is it polly or glass fibre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VULTURE Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Glass fibre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 You're not trying to pin previous damage on the bloke are you a fall from that height shouldn't cause that much damage if it has maybe the manufacturer has to have a level of responsibility Would you leave your iPhone on a motorbike saddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Glass fibre Dont fret if its glass just use it, if your that bothered about the nick astheticaly just fill it with p40 and spray it or a sticker something like that. Edited May 5, 2016 by TONY R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VULTURE Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Hi. Made a mistake the Helmet was £300 not £400 as I stated earlier ,it's a Davida jet, I have email the company a picture of the damage to see what they say . Pretty sure they will say it's knackered and to buy a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I think on a glass fibre helmet thats not a problem, i doubt it will have even crushed never mind broken any fibres, its more a finnish issue, they might even repair it or replace it if you winge enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I would take it on the chin and accept that if I had not left it in a place where it could be knocked then it could not have happened. And yes I do ride motorcycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyS Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 That's not how it works, if someone has damaged something they're liable, regardless of whether it should or shouldn't have been there. But, i think it coud be a stretch all things considered and i'm assuming all the witnesses are friend or aquaintances of some description? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 If you care for something, leaving it dangling off the indicator seems foolish. If I had brushed past and knocked the helmet off, I would suggest that it was not secured properly and suggest that you jog on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Trouble with damage to a helmet. In a crash it either held up or you won't know it didn't. For a few hundred pounds I would chance my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) you are in the right regardless of where you put the crash helmet it was stationary and he knocked it off I doubt if he will pay for another one and an insurance claim seems to be the only option left you would win this case but as said above you will have a claim on your record and your premium will go up every year for the next five years for the op that commented on only a short drop I can see where you are coming from I am a biker and have been for 48 years and have dropped my crash helmet a few times and scuffed it and not worried but all manifactures recommend if you drop it from any height replace it I know its just a way to gain more sales but there we are if you don't want to claim to be honest I would use the crash helmet anyway they are so well made nowdays I doubt if any structural damage has been done and if you did have a bad accident and landed on your head an £800 pound scuffed crash helmet its going to give you more protection than a £200 new one Never in the field of human communication has so much gonads been talked about crash helmets by so few to so many. There are £20 helmets out there that have a higher SHARP rating than helmets costing many hundreds of pounds! I have a helmet which has an ACU gold sticker, so cleared for racing, has a 4 out of 5 star SHARP rating and delivered cost me £20, inc carriage. It has a higher SHARP safety rating than helmets costing 15 or 20 times as much. My crash helmet was bought new, from an English retailer who has been involved in the sale of motorcycles since 1929 A.D. so they won't be passing off hookie rubbish on the public as they have a heck of a reputation to lose. Edited May 5, 2016 by secretagentmole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VULTURE Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 ok haven't really got an answer to my question so will wait to see what Davida say, @ flashman. So if I knock your shotgun over and I told you to jog on would you like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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