winnie&bezza Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 They are only paying the price for work done so it shouldnt be that much higher than pricing other ways.Its an incentive to go harder and make some great money.One place last year was paying £17ishm2 for skinning kits and we were doing 200 blocks,20m2 in a 9 hr day comfortably and when doing their stonework/slaps the prices were even better so you knocked your pan in but it well worth it.Was 3hrs travelling a day but for money like that you dont mind. Going by this thread we seem very lucky as some of the wages mentioned,both subbied and PAYE,are on par or lower than 15ish years ago. As for folk getting blasted for saying they wouldnt like to live on £500,they have a point although i wouldnt personally have said it on here but i wouldnt like to live on it either nowadays.I COULD live on it but after the years of good money it would be a wee bit of a shock Yeah that makes sense. Blimey that's serious money there. My working world is totally different to travelling,price work and big sites and have never experienced it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yeah that makes sense. Blimey that's serious money there. My working world is totally different to travelling,price work and big sites and have never experienced it. We earn £300+ a day in London for a chippy and £160 in the Midlands . I know it's to do with living costs. A 4 bed house by me is £150k-750k but I know London is £500k +for example . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 £500 a week X 52 weeks = £26,000 before Tax and NI. Just wondering what the average wage (and average house hold income) even is these days ? I'm surprised many on here seem to earn less, as shooting is an expensive sport! Glad to know a few are as skint as me lol I have worked 2 part time jobs at once at the moment whilst studying full time and after my final year next year the starting wage is about £28k. I'll be very glad when that day comes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 We earn £300+ a day in London for a chippy and £160 in the Midlands . I know it's to do with living costs. A 4 bed house by me is £150k-750k but I know London is £500k +for example . Yes it's all relevant mate. I want London money but rally don't want to do London ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 A good friend who also shoots is a brickie and has been doing price work for ages. He's been getting £200 a day and on Saturdays he said we get 'double bubble' to which I replied £400!!!!! The he said I have to pay tax on that to which I replied 'tax' that's nearly what I earn a week haha. How do they price for paying such high sums? Money aye. Root of most problems. Thanks anyway mate. The developers have no choice but to pay up at the moment, there is nowhere near enough brickies to match the desired output, if we can get x over the road you need to pay y to keep us here or we're off. Brickies have the power at the moment but it will change eventually. I have just been offered £550 per thousand & £15 per mtr, this price is to build simple, featureless square boxes, even a **** brickie will do well on them rates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 £500 a week X 52 weeks = £26,000 before Tax and NI. Just wondering what the average wage (and average house hold income) even is these days ? I'm surprised many on here seem to earn less, as shooting is an expensive sport! Glad to know a few are as skint as me lol I have worked 2 part time jobs at once at the moment whilst studying full time and after my final year next year the starting wage is about £28k. I'll be very glad when that day comes Yes and doing privates I can earn £2k+ a year which helps. Well you've studied and dedicated yourself to it so you deserve that salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 £500 a week X 52 weeks = £26,000 before Tax and NI. Just wondering what the average wage (and average house hold income) even is these days ? I'm surprised many on here seem to earn less, as shooting is an expensive sport! Glad to know a few are as skint as me lol I have worked 2 part time jobs at once at the moment whilst studying full time and after my final year next year the starting wage is about £28k. I'll be very glad when that day comes I made £25k last year on top working in a factory, boring job but I gave up my trade 15 years ago as factory work was easier and paid more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 The developers have no choice but to pay up at the moment, there is nowhere near enough brickies to match the desired output, if we can get x over the road you need to pay y to keep us here or we're off. Brickies have the power at the moment but it will change eventually. I have just been offered £550 per thousand & £15 per mtr, this price is to build simple, featureless square boxes, even a **** brickie will do well on them rates Yes in a building magazine they were talking about brickies earning a 1k a week due to shortage of skilled workers. Good money once again. So say a **** brickie builds a flank and its absolutely terrible, what would happen? Leave it or knock it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yes in a building magazine they were talking about brickies earning a 1k a week due to shortage of skilled workers. Good money once again. So say a **** brickie builds a flank and its absolutely terrible, what would happen? Leave it or knock it down? That would be down to the site manager, or the NHBC inspector. Either way you only get paid once, brickies like that are constantly on the move, get found out - move on and the cycle starts again, but due to the demand there's some terrible trowels doing the rounds at the moment! Luckily you can spot them a mile off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Dread to think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) £500 a week X 52 weeks = £26,000 before Tax and NI. Just wondering what the average wage (and average house hold income) even is these days ? Christ that's dire! there's firms out this way that still think £500 pw is a good wage, but then wonder why all the staff are on the rob or taking extra long tea breaks. the firm i'm now with have it right, they're really on the ball where the wages and benefits are concerned. Edited August 21, 2016 by Paddy Galore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 That would be down to the site manager, or the NHBC inspector. Either way you only get paid once, brickies like that are constantly on the move, get found out - move on and the cycle starts again, but due to the demand there's some terrible trowels doing the rounds at the moment! Luckily you can spot them a mile off Price work as far as carpentry goes at least is about how little you can do, how few nails you can put in, how little attention to detail you can get away with etc. I hate it and refuse to do pricework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Price work as far as carpentry goes at least is about how little you can do, how few nails you can put in, how little attention to detail you can get away with etc. I hate it and refuse to do pricework. seen a bit of that my entire working life, bloody expanding foam or gripfill everywhere instead of nails or screws. I personally blame all the brush monkeys out there who moan about using a bit of filler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 I've never had a problem earning a decent wage on price as long as the prices were fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Christ that's dire! there's firms out this way that still think £500 pw is a good wage, but then wonder why all the staff are on the rob or taking extra long tea breaks. the firm i'm now with have it right, they're really on the ball where the wages and benefits are concerned. So what do firms who pay a good wage to blokes on the cards pay them? And what benefits do they get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 So what do firms who pay a good wage to blokes on the cards pay them? And what benefits do they get? it would only upset you if I told you, but it's quite a bit more, plus travel time, and a spankin new van, fuel card, basic power tool kit, full ppe inc trousers, and a decent bonus scheme, six guys are getting an all expenses paid week in las vegas this year. we do have to muck in and do a bit of multi trading though but we are good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) ## Edited August 21, 2016 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) it would only upset you if I told you, but it's quite a bit more, plus travel time, and a spankin new van, fuel card, basic power tool kit, full ppe inc trousers, and a decent bonus scheme, six guys are getting an all expenses paid week in las vegas this year. we do have to muck in and do a bit of multi trading though but we are good at it. Go on! Upset me! Ha no I really don't mind and intrigued to know? The bigger firms must be able to pay more as they have more blokes to make money off unlike the 5 blokes on our firm. Edited August 21, 2016 by winnie&bezza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 it's not always large firms winnie, my firm isn't that big, but the work we do is top drawer stuff. Our local council which has now become a housing association pay their carpenters 28k a year on a 39hr week, and they're a non profit making organisation. yet other HA's charge more in rent and pay their operatives less, go figure? then there's some of the smaller firms, one I recently worked for pay peanuts yet both the brothers that part own the company have brand new vans, go on holidays, etc etc, they're on face book telling everyone about it, yet they plead poverty when their employees ask for new boots. Another one paid a little better but not nearly enough in my opinion, and couldn't stop bragging about his bloody Ferrari! This is just my opinion but If I were in your shoes i'd be keeping a keen eye on the job market, I reckon they're taking the piddle out of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 it's not always large firms winnie, my firm isn't that big, but the work we do is top drawer stuff. Our local council which has now become a housing association pay their carpenters 28k a year on a 39hr week, and they're a non profit making organisation. yet other HA's charge more in rent and pay their operatives less, go figure? then there's some of the smaller firms, one I recently worked for pay peanuts yet both the brothers that part own the company have brand new vans, go on holidays, etc etc, they're on face book telling everyone about it, yet they plead poverty when their employees ask for new boots. Another one paid a little better but not nearly enough in my opinion, and couldn't stop bragging about his bloody Ferrari! This is just my opinion but If I were in your shoes i'd be keeping a keen eye on the job market, I reckon they're taking the piddle out of you. As an owner of a joinery company I find all the above typical of an employee. I have a nice van and go on holidays. 4 bed house etc but what the staff don't is what I owe on said items. Personally I know his money is good and way above most companies. Employed or self employed will always double your money. Councils around here pay £300 a week take home ( multiple mates work for them) and in a market where you should feel lucky to have a job at the moment. Loads of companies around us are still going bump . Staff always think the boss is earning amazing but we work a lot more hours. Sitting in front of a computer unit 10-11 a night doing quotes. I'm in before the lads to open up, there after locking up and then off to jobs measuring up so the lads have a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 As an owner of a joinery company I find all the above typical of an employee. I have a nice van and go on holidays. 4 bed house etc but what the staff don't is what I owe on said items. Personally I know his money is good and way above most companies. Employed or self employed will always double your money. Councils around here pay £300 a week take home ( multiple mates work for them) and in a market where you should feel lucky to have a job at the moment. Loads of companies around us are still going bump . Staff always think the boss is earning amazing but we work a lot more hours. Sitting in front of a computer unit 10-11 a night doing quotes. I'm in before the lads to open up, there after locking up and then off to jobs measuring up so the lads have a job. the two brothers I mentioned don't run the company, their dad does all the business side of things, they just turn up for work like the rest of the blokes. I've also had my own company so know a bit about running a business which was moderately successful until I became seriously ill and had to pack it all in. I've been a joiner and carpenter all my working life, about 30yrs worth, I've worked for small, medium, and large firms, been a subby, had my own workshop, and I am telling you from experience that his money while not a bad wage, is still just about an average wage. If he's got the minerals for it why shouldn't he strike out and look for a better job? they are out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 the two brothers I mentioned don't run the company, their dad does all the business side of things, they just turn up for work like the rest of the blokes. I've also had my own company so know a bit about running a business which was moderately successful until I became seriously ill and had to pack it all in. I've been a joiner and carpenter all my working life, about 30yrs worth, I've worked for small, medium, and large firms, been a subby, had my own workshop, and I am telling you from experience that his money while not a bad wage, is still just about an average wage. If he's got the minerals for it why shouldn't he strike out and look for a better job? they are out there. I'm the bosses son just like mentioned and people especially staff always tell me I've got it easy and they call my dad my sponsor but they don't see what I do behind the scenes . 70 hour weeks ( 30 after hours when staff go home) Don't get me wrong it's always good to set your sights high and push yourself but his boss isn't taking the pee . We've been going 40+ years now and I've seen the business tear us apart. We were took for over £100k between 3 scammers I call them. All went bump on us . We try to spoil our lads but thanks to idiots we struggle. What I'm trying to say is that only the owner really knows what funds are available or the whole story . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted August 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Interesting stuff paddy and thanks for input. Good to see what else is out there. The big plus with our firm is a lot of the work is ridiculously local to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 I've been reading this with interest and iam amazed at the money you builders get. Whatever you do don't come into farming. I can earn good money but have to work 65hours plus to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 My philosophy has always been if your doing the job either way you might as well be doing it for as much money as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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