four-wheel-drive Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 It does have to be that complicated when the country has signed up for the ECHR. Canada hasn't. The UK has. Also, your example is straightforward in the that guy had a current Irish passport. The migrants we are talking about have no passports, no identity papers and therefore cannot be repatriated so easily. You cannot force a country to accept a person when that country doesn't want them back. You cannot deport a person to a country that is deemed to be unsafe. Which is where the ECHR issues come in. It isn't as easy as many of you believe. Otherwise it would have been solved by now. Going by your logic then we should buy them all tickets on let them all come and live over here and put our heads up in the air and think what wonderful kind people we are as we watch what is left of our country vanish down the plug hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Going by your logic then we should buy them all tickets on let them all come and live over here and put our heads up in the air and think what wonderful kind people we are as we watch what is left of our country vanish down the plug hole. There is no easy answer, which flies in the face of the usual Internet warriors and the 'send 'em all back' brigade. The situation is complicated and some hard decisions will have to be made. But at the moment anyone who takes one of the Calais refugees into custody, whether it be French or British police, end up having to keep them. That is one of the reasons why the refugees are so lawless, inciting arrests and the French police seem so hapless in avoiding arresting them. At the moment, while ever they are hanging around Calais the only cost to the French is in policing. The alternative in accepting or trying to arrest and deport them would cost much, much more both financially and in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 If they have no passport and nobody knows where they're from , they wouldn't be missed if they disappeared . Would work for the van dwellers as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 If they have no passport and nobody knows where they're from , they wouldn't be missed if they disappeared . Would work for the van dwellers as well . There was a guy in Germany who had a similar idea. Little chap, had a silly moustache..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) There you go , chucking that same old ,same old into anything that smells of looking after your own country . Edited August 27, 2016 by cuffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 As for illegal immigrants in Britain, I dont think they should be afforded right to remain or an immigration trial, they should just be deported end of! Now before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic or even god forbid racsist, i'm not! I recognize that as an island nation we need migration to make ourselves better, but not at any cost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 As for illegal immigrants in Britain, I dont think they should be afforded right to remain or an immigration trial, they should just be deported end of! Now before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic or even god forbid racsist, i'm not! I recognize that as an island nation we need migration to make ourselves better, but not at any cost! Careful you don't get accused of being a moustachioed kraut . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Careful you don't get accused of being a moustachioed kraut . Who Angela Merkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Ho ho ho , where's the like button . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 You racist ***** Yes I am suggesting the fly tipping is comparable to the average builder, so you saw these "Irish Plates " on a van that stole a caravan? and you did what?I will guess you didn't see this but have heard a rumour, whoever did see this plated disappearing with a caravan would presumably have called the Police, who no doubt couldn't attend due to a breech of human rights , I cant believe what in hearing. I live within a mile of a local permanent camp in Leeds, there is only one, its been there 30 years, and most people who live in Leeds are unaware of its existence, trouble outside the camp virtually none, and it gets plenty of attention from the Police without the local rag jumping on a band wagon ive taken my time to consider a reply to this one , the last thing that i want to do is get into a slanging match with anyone , but i should really share my experience on this one , my post wont be racist in any way , and will be completely honest in every way , itll just be a bit of experience from the coalface. most of you know that im a binman , well ive been kicking around the local authority for almost 17yrs now , and ive done several different jobs , one of these jobs was clearing fly tipping . ive cleared fly tipping from just about everywhere that you could imagine and just about every type of waste that you can imagine , from 10 tons of rapidly setting concrete that had been tipped from a moving lorry along a country lane in the middle of the night , to a lorry load of weed growing equiptment that had also been dumped along a country lane. several times , we have caught fly tippers in the act , and have acted as a witness , we even caught one guy(a butcher) tipping a van load of waste , within five minutes of us clearing an area and while me and my mate were stood there watching him(iirc it cost him £1,500 and a black eye from his wife) , we have also sat in a freshly cleaned layby in a fully signwritten council vehicle , and watched a very middle class housewife , empty the contents of her estate car (many bags of general rubbish) and just drive away. from my experience of the area that i used to work in at that time , and the fly tippers and fly tipping that i was involved with . i can categorically state , that your average builder doesnt fly tip waste , some(and their may be more these days) unscrupulous scumbags do , but most dont. i can also categorically state , that your average gypsy does fly tip, or , looks to fly tip at every opportunity , some will use tips , but only when they cant fly tip. these are facts that i have seen with my own eyes , no second hand information , and not racist in any way whatsoever. i used to work regularly in an area close to a traveller site , i was working with the police , and social services youth offending team , i was driving the waste collection vehicle and overseeing health and safety and jobs to be carried out etc , the police and social services were in charge of the young offenders . we were clearing an old disused railway line that was supposed to be a cycle track , while i was doing this job i came across a piece of land that the travellers from the site were using as their own landfill site , they would drive out of the back of their site onto the old railway line , and tip their lorries full loads of waste over the end of the railway embankment , i was truly gobsmacked , they were tipping hundreds of tons each month into a private woodland , their must have been thousands of tons of waste that had built up over the years , i spoke to my boss about it , he knew that nobody could , or would , do anything about it , the local authority had spent thousands of pounds putting an 8ft steel fence along the railway line , but the travellers just removed a couple of panels so that they could drive straight through , it was shocking and outrageous , and as far as i know is still going on to this day , i should also add , that the travellers had to drive past an official landfill site to get to their site (same lane , about 600 yards away). something else that sticks in my head from this time . i once noticed a police car driving away from a nearby transport yard , later in the day i was talking to the security guard and he told me the problem , the travellers were stealing fuel , tools , cargo , lorry parts , from the transport yard at every opportunity , the owner even had drums printed with his business name so that they could be easily identified , well the security guard had seen a couple of travellers stealing diesel , he had followed them back to their site and called the police from his mobile , an officer turned up and was shown the marked drums , but , the officer refused to even enter the gypsy site , he just said that their was not enough evidence and left lol . not long afterwards the haulage firm moved premises before they were put out of business by the travellers. like i said , none of this is intended to be racist in any way whatsoever , its just things that ive seen and know to be true. 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UKPoacher Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 There you go , chucking that same old ,same old into anything that smells of looking after your own country . So where do you draw the line? You've already said that illegal immigrants and travellers should be liquidated. Anybody else? - pedos, serial killers, druggies, perhaps that woman down the road who doesn't pick up her dog's truffles................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Draw the line where you want , as you've started on a list the jobs obviously right up your alley . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb403 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 I live within a mile of a local permanent camp in Leeds, there is only one, its been there 30 years, and most people who live in Leeds are unaware of its existence, trouble outside the camp virtually none 30 years, not really doing much travelling are they. I believe the saying is something along the lines of 'Don't deficate where you eat'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 I've seen the after-effects of visits from what is termed the 'travelling community' and it's never been a pretty site. Nothing positive; ever. I wonder whether the apologists that feel the need to question eye-witness evidence of the foul carnage that some of these people leave in their wake would change their tune if a load of them turned up (quite literally) on their doorstep and started to flaunt numerous laws, with the police not appearing to do much about it. It's got naff-all to do with racism and it's a lazy argument to say that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Draw the line where you want , as you've started on a list the jobs obviously right up your alley . Not my idea though was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 This has now moved on from the original topic and has also bordered on offensive so will now close, As most of these topics do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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