Albert 888 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I have been riding bikes for 21 years and have just moved over to enduro type bikes for green lanes and enduro practice days. I started with a husqvarna wr250 2002 two-stroke and now riding a ktm 250 exc-f four stroke with a 280cc kit on it and a recluse clutch. Im currently toying with the idea of buying a cheap trails bike ie a gasgas 321 to better my skills for the enduro. Would the 321 be to advanced for me. How hard us it to Road register one.Also has anyone got one in the back of a p38 range rover,I have a trailer for local use,I could go further to buy one without the trailer. Cheers Albert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Bike rack on rear of motor, easier than a trailer, I have just made a loading ramp to get my Bantam on, But I have carried a Kawasaki triple before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Good idea thanks,just had a look on the net,what I have seen won't fit my towbar, as it's a a Swan neck type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Im not sure if one will fit in a p38 or not you will get them easy enough in a LR swell long wheelbase ones used to get three two shercos and a rev 3 in a 110 van. p38 should be ok for a rack get a dave cooper or similar they go on smaller cars but got to be aware of tow ball weight specs never heard the law getting stupid on this but in this day and age you got to be belt and brases to make sure your not caught with your trousers down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 The bigger engined trials bikes can just make things harder. Also, you might find a beta has smoother power delivery than a gas gas. I've got a 270 rev3 2001 model and its smoother on delivery than a similar aged gas gas. A friend had a 200cc beta and it was easier to ride tricky stuff, didn't try to pull your shoulders out and, if there was anything that the bigger bikes could do that the 200 couldn't, we couldn't find it. Sometimes less is more. I had a fantic 363 k-roo and that engine was well snatchy, not a patch on the beta for finding grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) Good idea thanks,just had a look on the net,what I have seen won't fit my towbar, as it's a a Swan neck type. Darn it you posted before i did, In that case you got no option then, you will have to try, its not so much getting it in thats easy enough its just the bar hight, im thinking its a bit low, slacken the bars move em back could give you all you need. Do you know why noit make a trailer. On the gas gas last i heard gas gas had gone not sure spares are going to be available long term , unles some one saved them. Edited August 29, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I once delivered a BMW Airhead to Redcar on a trailer & A mate asked me to drop a Ty Yam off at Consett, on my own I got it in the back of my VW Passat,with the rear seats removed, got part way in, then removed front wheel & got it right in, I then put a rear seat belt around engine for safety, got to Consett & no/one to help me , I struggled to get Yam back out,after nearly giving myself a hernia I remembered the seat belt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I used to get a speedway bike in the back of my mrs Peugeot 205....I used to fold the seats and hang the front wheel out. always turned fuel off and drained carb first. a trail bike is ok but if your wanting to go further and faster a enduro bike is better something id like is the ktm exc 450. they have more suspension travel better tyres suited to mud and as winter comes and green lanes get very muddy. A seat for when the legs are tired as a day standing up on a trails bike can make your legs very tired. Also driving through town standing and giving turn signals isn't the best. Id love to get my rm250 road registered but its more hassle than its worth changing piston rings every few rides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Well you can do longish runs on a modernish trials bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Think I will stick to using the trailer rather than struggle getting one in the boot,I didnt fancy driving up and down the motorway with it on,I have modified a trailer tent trailer to take two enduros. I have an enduro already, just want to get my skills better on the slow and tricky stuff. And wouldn't mind another project. Wanted it Road legal to Bob from one lane to another, I'm not planning on going any great distance on a trials bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ox Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Not sure if I see the point in getting a trials bike to get better at enduro, two different disciplines. Imo what I would do is practice practice and some more practice on the enduro bike and use the money on some proper off roading lessons. I have been riding off road a large part of my life and have just purchased a crf450x for the green lanes and hare and hounds. It's almost like saying I'll go back to shooting an air rifle to get better with a shotgun, doesn't really make much sense does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) Not sure if I see the point in getting a trials bike to get better at enduro, two different disciplines. Imo what I would do is practice practice and some more practice on the enduro bike and use the money on some proper off roading lessons. I have been riding off road a large part of my life and have just purchased a crf450x for the green lanes and hare and hounds. It's almost like saying I'll go back to shooting an air rifle to get better with a shotgun, doesn't really make much sense does it? I m Just guessing but he can probably ride the pants of his dual sport bike now but i think hes notice hes a bit weak on low speed handling basic low speed control and balance, the simple stuff maintaining traction holding a line in a tight turn picking a line through rocks. You cant learn stuff like this on a trail bike, too high geared too high heavy wrong sort of power charecteristics. Practice on al sport is one thing, but when you know what your doing anyway its just taking time and money, you need to sharpen up on the low speed skills to improve your game ultimatley back on the dual sport. Trials esspecialy trials today is far more technical than it was in say the early 80s, Todays trials even classic trials are totaly different to hhow they were then, much tighter harder generaly than back in the day. Trials is a specialised skill set even quite skilled riders like guy martin will strugle in trials look at him on the SSDT clasic this year on that tiger cub he was struggling a bit, he was outside his experience, Dont get me wrong he wont look the same next SSDT i can tell you that, but he was outside his comfort zone this year. Trials is control balance maintaining traction and finding traction and a path through a route that enables you to maintain grip momentum etc, all this is handy in a dual sport trail bike enduro sittuation, look at graham jarvis hes from trials and others too. you will pick up these skills easier on a trials bike than you will on a Cumbersome dual sport no matter how good its pedigree. Edited August 29, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Not sure if I see the point in getting a trials bike to get better at enduro, two different disciplines. Imo what I would do is practice practice and some more practice on the enduro bike and use the money on some proper off roading lessons. I have been riding off road a large part of my life and have just purchased a crf450x for the green lanes and hare and hounds. It's almost like saying I'll go back to shooting an air rifle to get better with a shotgun, doesn't really make much sense does it? Trials bikes are all slow speed and balance. Loom at graham jarvis, champion trials rider now champion enduro rider. As stated, a trials bike is a pain after a days trail riding. Get yourself a ktm exc/mxc 525 or the new 500. If you like smokers get a 250/300exc. Cracking bikes reliable as hell! I myself ride a 525 mxc desert racing edition 07, bit of head work and proper jetting it is a beast. Quite literally. 6th gear power wheelies at 80-90mph on a dirt bike, no better feeling! Word of warning if you do go for the above bikes especially if they've been tuned is they are high maintenance and if you mess up they will bite you. When I find out how to upload videos I'll put one on here from my helmet cam just to give you an idea how fast it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 After years of racing fairly competitively in Enduro's I hung my boots up when I had my first son. After a few years break I've just bought a 2003 beta rev 3 250 2t. Don't get me wrong, its great fun, but the style of riding just doesn't lend itself to an enduro. I know people will bang on about handling slower stuff and balance etc, but the way you ride the two bikes is just so different I cant see how you would relate one to the other skills wise. I'm having to retrain my brain to do things which feel very uncomfortable and almost wrong ! Buy one if you fancy a go at trials its an easy way to get out and have a laugh with a few pals watching each other fall off. Much more of a social way to enjoy bikes as you can stop for a chin wag whenever you feel like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 If the bike is road legal I am sure there was a device available to fit the ball hitch & take the front wheel suspended & allow the rear to trail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted September 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Thanks guys, I bought one cheap and local, so stuck it on the trailer. I ended up with a beta rev 3 250 2003. It's not Road registered,but I'm looking into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 The rev3 is a good choice. Nice power delivery from the engine, and the bikes are well put together, build quality wise, with attention to detail in the design compared to some others I could mention. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted September 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Thanks I will do. It's more difficult than,I thought riding a trial bike. We ride up at at my mates farm in the dingle (small Valley with a stream). We do it on the ktms, I struggled with the beta,all I wanted to do was sit down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Thanks I will do. It's more difficult than,I thought riding a trial bike. We ride up at at my mates farm in the dingle (small Valley with a stream). We do it on the ktms, I struggled with the beta,all I wanted to do was sit down. But on the bright side it will climb a flat wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I used to get a speedway bike in the back of my mrs Peugeot 205....I used to fold the seats and hang the front wheel out. always turned fuel off and drained carb first. a trail bike is ok but if your wanting to go further and faster a enduro bike is better something id like is the ktm exc 450. they have more suspension travel better tyres suited to mud and as winter comes and green lanes get very muddy. A seat for when the legs are tired as a day standing up on a trails bike can make your legs very tired. Also driving through town standing and giving turn signals isn't the best. Id love to get my rm250 road registered but its more hassle than its worth changing piston rings every few rides Many years ago I used to have a Pug 205 they are amazing things with the rear seats folded down and the front passenger seat pushed fully to the front it is quite amazing what you can get in them much more than lots of much bigger cars I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I managed to fit a Rickman Micrometisse into a Peugeot 104 many years ago. Laid the front seat back flat and the back seats down , took the front wheel off the bike, and it just went in diagonally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Thanks guys, I bought one cheap and local, so stuck it on the trailer. I ended up with a beta rev 3 250 2003. It's not Road registered,but I'm looking into it. From a friend who has done quite a few, including older bikes that we've brought in from Spain. Go on government gateway & fill out a nova form, once approved you'll then need to get the bike an mot so that you can apply for registration using a v55 form. Nova is free but registering is £55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted September 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Thanks for that,what I thought you had to do was, Insure the bike off the engine and frame numbers. Get age authenticity from the maker. Then fill in one of the visa forms. Get a age related plate. Then mot. I will go on the gateway site and have a look. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 http://www.beta-uk.com/index.php/contact if you do need to get age confirmed, Johnboy & his staff are always helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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