Paul223 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I and I'm sure many others do David.......but the real nub of the issue is the public are brainwashed by anti propaganda in the media into believing that shooting is environmentally damaging, cruel and people that shoot enjoy killing things because they are sadists!.............in my experience nothing is further from the truth! I doubt the public are really interested in the jobs and economic benefits shooting creates, and they don't really want to know about the positive conservation contribution made by shooting interests.......because they are conditioned to think anthropomorphically of the dead creatures that shooting is responsible for!....that's why the refer to live shooting as "murder" This is the misinformation the anti's keep pushing..........we need to counter this wherever and whenever it appears in the media This, and stuffing economic benefits up their rear end will only do us down, every time I hear it I cringe, sounds like we're paying folks off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Politically we cannot ignore the economic benefits of shooting, not just the income it generates but the job opportunities it creates, to do so would be foolish. But the campaign also promotes the environmental / conservation benefits. It also promotes the fact that what is shot enters the food chain it dispels the emotive myths that are promoted by those opposed to shooting - we base our arguments on facts, not emotion as I have said before Media campaigns and petitions are all well and good and certainly play their part, indeed the formal response to the 'ban grouse shooting' petition has clearly indicated that the4 points above are resonating with Parliament, so to maintain the momentum, the next and important step is for shooters to contact their MP's to show grass roots support of shooting, and its very easy to do, it will take just a few moments, and there is no reason why all of us should not do it https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/basc-launches-website-to-support-grouse-shooting-campaign/ David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Done it; not difficult, just a couple of clicks. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Unfortunately my MP seems to have a closed mind on fieldsports so I would be surprised if he responded positively! Come to think of it I would be surprised if he replied at all! Lol But I've emailed him asking for comment, anyway!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Politically we cannot ignore the economic benefits of shooting, not just the income it generates but the job opportunities it creates, to do so would be foolish. >>>for now, in time the antis will turn public opinion against us to the point where the 'economic benefits' argument carry little weight, politically or publicly <<< But the campaign also promotes the environmental / conservation benefits. >>> this is where the public requires education <<< It also promotes the fact that what is shot enters the food chain it dispels the emotive myths that are promoted by those opposed to shooting - we base our arguments on facts, not emotion as I have said before Media campaigns and petitions are all well and good and certainly play their part, indeed the formal response to the 'ban grouse shooting' petition has clearly indicated that the4 points above are resonating with Parliament, so to maintain the momentum, the next and important step is for shooters to contact their MP's to show grass roots support of shooting, and its very easy to do, it will take just a few moments, and there is no reason why all of us should not do it https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/basc-launches-website-to-support-grouse-shooting-campaign/ >>> done<<< David See points above Also can I ask, the various adverts placed in the shooting press, does Basc pay the full fee for these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Thank you for your points, I fully understand In answer to your question, all magazines and other publications have what is called a 'rate card' this gives the price for page, half page, and quarter page advertising. This typically applies to 'one off' adverts. There are then discounts to be had if you book a series of adverts for say 3 months, 6 months or 12 months, there may be further discounts if you also advertise on online publications in the same stable, or are engaged in other activity So what I do is work with the two publishing houses who's magazine we advertise in and work out the most coverage I can get for the fixed budget I have to spend. Al all the advertising we do in the shooting press is monthly, or weekly, or in 2 scenarios 6 months out of 12 the costs are discounted from rate card Edited August 31, 2016 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Politically we cannot ignore the economic benefits of shooting, not just the income it generates but the job opportunities it creates, to do so would be foolish. But the campaign also promotes the environmental / conservation benefits. It also promotes the fact that what is shot enters the food chain it dispels the emotive myths that are promoted by those opposed to shooting - we base our arguments on facts, not emotion as I have said before Media campaigns and petitions are all well and good and certainly play their part, indeed the formal response to the 'ban grouse shooting' petition has clearly indicated that the4 points above are resonating with Parliament, so to maintain the momentum, the next and important step is for shooters to contact their MP's to show grass roots support of shooting, and its very easy to do, it will take just a few moments, and there is no reason why all of us should not do it https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/latest-news/basc-launches-website-to-support-grouse-shooting-campaign/ David I was not advocating dropping either the political lobbying or publicising the economic benefits, jobs and revenue shooting brings into the countryside....nor the campaign extolling the health benefits of eating game meat.............they are positive, and I hope these campaigns continue! but we should not ignore public opinion or allow that opinion to go unchallenged when it is composed of lies implanted into the minds of a gullible and ill informed public via a biased media by anti shooting Zealots. Undoubtedly we base our arguements on science, evidence and fact........but the anti's target the emotions of their audience.....the problem increases when we win.....because of course they lose!.............they don't understand the issues in the first place so they don't understand why they lost!...........this loss increases resentment in them which serves to drive their hatred in ever deeper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Fully understand, and thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 How about taking a celebrity chef game shooting then them preparing a meal. It's been done before, but they have the ability to encourage people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Indeed, the Taste of Game project is a very important part of promoting shooting, we focus on butchery and game cooking displays at shows and events, as well as getting more and more restaurants to sell game and more - see here: http://tasteofgame.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) ... Edited August 31, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) How about taking a celebrity chef game shooting then them preparing a meal. It's been done before, but they have the ability to encourage people.Just not jamie oliver.. Not sure i could handle pukka pheasant... Indeed, the Taste of Game project is a very important part of promoting shooting, we focus on butchery and game cooking displays at shows and events, as well as getting more and more restaurants to sell game and more - see here: http://tasteofgame.org.uk/Which shows and events do you goto? Edited August 31, 2016 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 For example, we were at the Fenland over bank holiday - 5 butchery / cooking demonstrations per day each of the three days venison and rabbit - packed with about 50 seated per demo plus half as many again standing, we try to get to the main shows in the year plus other events such as Borough market for example, keep an eye on the ToG website as all events will be listed there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Got a love the guarniad. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/342657-guardian-dragging-up-basc-issues/?do=findComment&comment=3124772 That said, the mystery about the issues at basc doesn't help matters from an outside perspective. The "leaking" to lacs is shameful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The good food show at the NEC?? Would taste of game be there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I will ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The good food show at the NEC?? Would taste of game be there? I shudder to think what that'd cost. There are a few stalls selling game there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I shudder to think what that'd cost. There are a few stalls selling game there. Shouldn't matter on cost! To get our point out there it needs to be somewhere like that. And cost vs amount of exposure it would probably be cost effective.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Mold food festival Sept 17th Local! Draws a big audience http://www.moldfoodfestival.co.uk/ Too much going on in a big show like nec, smaller regional shows are the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) Big grouse should be paying for the defence of their sport, it is sloshing in money, time to get it some of it spent on PR big time. I still see BASC as the organisation for the lower and mid levels of shooting sports, driven grouse is on level above. Yes they should be helping and supporting but the major part of the response to the assault on driven grouse shooting should be organised and paid for by the Moorland association and the moor owners themselves. BASC should not empty the coffers defending driven grouse shooting. Edited September 2, 2016 by scolopax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Big grouse should be paying for the defence of their sport, it is sloshing in money, time to get it some of it spent on PR big time. I still see BASC as the organisation for the lower and mid levels of shooting sports, driven grouse is on level above. Yes they should be helping and supporting but the major part of the response to the assault on driven grouse shooting should be organised and paid for by the Moorland association and the moor owners themselves. BASC should not empty the coffers defending driven grouse shooting. I'm not sure. If the anti's beat driven grouse shooting, driven pheasant shooting will be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Big grouse should be paying for the defence of their sport, it is sloshing in money, time to get it some of it spent on PR big time. I still see BASC as the organisation for the lower and mid levels of shooting sports, driven grouse is on level above. Yes they should be helping and supporting but the major part of the response to the assault on driven grouse shooting should be organised and paid for by the Moorland association and the moor owners themselves. BASC should not empty the coffers defending driven grouse shooting. If grouse shooting goes very quickly EVERY form of shooting for sport will go. Almost all the scientific evidence points to grouse shooting helping the upland ecosystems, there is no scientific argument for banning it only an emotional or based on class war Grouse shooting is the only form of shooting that is truely 100% self sufficient and does not depend on released or migratory birds. It is very easy to make a very good scientific/environmental/ecological case for grouse shooting and the management that goes along with it. That is not the case with any other form of shooing, yes most shoots have benefits but that's because they do extra habitat work it is also possible just to dump many many thousand non native birds into an area with no habitat work and the only benefit is the extra feed u put out, which is a massive benefit althou the fact most folk stop feeding instantly come 2nd of Feb sort of cancels it out, stopping feeding at the hungriest time when birds need it most. I'm a keen shooter been involved in keepering, beating lines for a long long time and now more picking up , i also have a degree in Conservation, i would struggle to argue a really good case for pheasant or red leg partridge shooting on environmental points, infact if it was a brand new sport it would never be allowed to develop today, releasing hundreds , thousands or even 6 figures of non native birds into the wild. Grouse shooting on the other hand is actually pretty easy to argue for as all the birds live on that moor and only survive because of the keepers hard work managing habitat to provide enough food (young heather ) but also enough shelter/nesting cover (long heather) close enough together, u can not provide extra food for them. There is also heaps of antcedotal evidence and quite a bit of scientific of wot happens to moors when the keeperiing stops, hw quick the vermin builds up and then later on the lack of new burnt heather, within 5-10 years the whole moor would effectively need burnt gain meaning a masive risk of wild fire. And thousands of acres of old rank heather is of very little use to any wildlife including grouse so the moorland becomes quite an empty place with little wild life. The anti's are planning a clever game targeting grouse shooting as they realiseonly a very small % off shooters will ever do it or even have an interest in it, which is shown here. The double whammy is that small % that do do it tend to be rich toffs so the whole class warfare thing kicks in. There will be very few occasions in modern life when someone like myself can be on 1st name terms with a lord and cracking jokes with him in the butts all day (to be fair i never knew he was a lord till keeper told me at end of the day) On that moor most of guns are regulars as invite only and most know ur name and speak away to u, not been my experience on plnty of driven days where guns look down there nose at u. If driven grouse shooting goes be careful as the rest of driven shooting does not have a leg to stand on. And anyone who thinks they should be left to defend it themselves as they will never do it and/or all rich toffs anyway is playing right into theanti's divide and conquer tatics. Wot's next after grouse, big commercial days, fair play just a bunch of toffs again, after that smaller days then the DIY shoots/releasing any birds, wot then? trying to ban shooting full stop including pest control pigeons, rabbits etc? The anti's don't really care how many u shoot shooting 1 is too many, there just starting with the toffs and big bys irst as there the easy target, once they have banned 1 type the precedent has been set and the rest will quickly fall. And looking at some off the attiudes on here many would be quite happy to see the toffs take a hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 BASC is working with the Moorland Association, helping to keep shooting safe is important as an attack on one is an attack on all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) How about taking a celebrity chef game shooting then them preparing a meal. It's been done before, but they have the ability to encourage people. I dont think the celbrity thing is good as its just setting a celebrity againts another celbrity.It then becomes an X factor/celebrirty big bro.The fact is the majority of the general public dont/wont understand shooting as conservation.They need to be educated and thats the job of our shooting organisations to get them on our side and to put fact out there.The anti's will never go away but they manage to get the general public to beleive fiction.I asked a broad variety of colleagues at work if the knew who the RSPB,RSPCA and BASC where.95% had no idea who BASC are & the CA nobody had a scoobydoo who they are. Edited September 3, 2016 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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