Fibre Wads

[wymberley]

Just got back from my local RFD. Not for the first time, I've heard a story about a bad batch of wads which apparently are allowing lead to pass the wrong way (and I would have thought, therefore, gas in the opposite direction). Seems the wads are getting burnt and leaving the barrel in a mess. Has anyone else picked up on this?

[Glenlivet]

Just got back from my local RFD. Not for the first time, I've heard a story about a bad batch of wads which apparently are allowing lead to pass the wrong way (and I would have thought, therefore, gas in the opposite direction). Seems the wads are getting burnt and leaving the barrel in a mess. Has anyone else picked up on this?

Any idea which cartridges or were the for home loading?

[wymberley]

Any idea which cartridges or were the for home loading?

I have, but as it is not confirmed (ie rumoured), it would be inadvisable to comment other than to say it involves possibly two cartridge manufacturers. Factory loaded. It was suggested that if I experience particularly dirty barrels, to do a pattern check.

[Vince Green]

Tend to find these stories are about a brand that a rival is selling at a good price................

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I'll stick with Georges Proper Cartridges just in case!

[steveshoots]

I'll stick with Georges Proper Cartridges just in case!

+1 now i can get them locally wont change best i have ever shot.

[Paladin]

Just got back from my local RFD. Not for the first time, I've heard a story about a bad batch of wads which apparently are allowing lead to pass the wrong way (and I would have thought, therefore, gas in the opposite direction). Seems the wads are getting burnt and leaving the barrel in a mess. Has anyone else picked up on this?

 

There must be external clues to what's going on in the loading, they must be dipping at the crimp. A couple of things could be happening, the wads are tilting as they are being fed in the machine and being crushed into the case or are double cut i.e. crescent shaped and shot can drop down the side, but this should be picked up by the shot column sensor any variation in the height of the column will stop the machine. If they are dipping then the finished case/crimp sensor should stop the machine. Failing that then the case diameter gauge should stop it for a tilted wad so the operator can remove any substandard load.

 

I take it that someone has retrieved a wad to see that it's been burnt. Wads can become 'friction' burnt in the manufacture, if the cutters become 'dull' and are forced through the cutting cycle.

 

If they have any left ask if the crimp is dipping badly.

[buze]

What exactly is the point of telling people about a problem without mentioning brand/batch etc?

 

 

About as useful as a car tyre puncture warning system that tells you about it once you're in the ditch.

[iano]

What exactly is the point of telling people about a problem without mentioning brand/batch etc?

 

 

About as useful as a car tyre puncture warning system that tells you about it once you're in the ditch.

 

Prevents false rumours from going around.

Also prevents the forum from getting sued

Edited October 10, 2016 by iano

[rbrowning2]

What exactly is the point of telling people about a problem without mentioning brand/batch etc?

 

 

About as useful as a car tyre puncture warning system that tells you about it once you're in the ditch.

+1

 

Do not the forum rules state these are the posters personal opinions and hence the forum would not be sued.

 

You may as well never post the topic in the first place if you don't want to tell the facts as they appear.

[wymberley]

+1

 

Do not the forum rules state these are the posters personal opinions and hence the forum would not be sued.

 

You may as well never post the topic in the first place if you don't want to tell the facts as they appear.

Beginning to wish that I hadn't posted this in the first place. My two 'informants' whom I trust are both in a position to pick up on this sort of thing and neither have anything to lose or gain from it. It is not possible to give facts as, as said, they are but rumours. It's now obvious that the relatively few shooters posting on PW compared to the overall number have not come across it. The point I was going to make purely for information is the last sentence of Post #3. That is, anyone shooting fibre wadded loads that suddenly starts to experience abnormally dirty barrels then it may pay to do a pattern check to ensure all is well.

[snow white]

I get dirty barrels using steel shot.dont think is anythink to do with lead going down the side its just the cartrige.

[wymberley]

Beginning to wish that I hadn't posted this in the first place. My two 'informants' whom I trust are both in a position to pick up on this sort of thing and neither have anything to lose or gain from it. It is not possible to give facts as, as said, they are but rumours. It's now obvious that the relatively few shooters posting on PW compared to the overall number have not come across it. The point I was going to make purely for information is the last sentence of Post #3. That is, anyone shooting fibre wadded loads that suddenly starts to experience abnormally dirty barrels then it may pay to do a pattern check to ensure all is well.

 

 

I get dirty barrels using steel shot.dont think is anythink to do with lead going down the side its just the cartrige.

If you're shooting steel it's odds on it won't be lead going down the side and if you're using fibre wads, it'll be steel and again odds on are it'll be from the barrel.

[TONY R]

I like fibre wads i think used in well developed loads they work fantastic, even patterns are easy to get from fibres they respond to detail changes, and if used properly are superior to plaswads.

Now Fibre wad its a loose term, and means to some cartridge firms ,, in fact most of them these days as just that ...A FIBRE WAD PAPER CAPPED PERHAPS dropped on to the powder and shot droped in and crimped up job done.

Fibre wads can be different in construction some hard some soft some soft and sticky some capped some not capped some have under shot cards some dont.

A true effective fibre wad load is efficient and down to the sum of its components and care thats gone into its creation you cant just drop powder plonk a wad in add shot and call it done .

You struggle this day and age to get decent quality fiber wad ammo and if you do you will pay a massive premium.

Fibre wad ammo needs good gas sealing to stand a chance to efficiently burn the powder regardless of type, Card gas seal inverted style under cork then white felt then fibre then nitro card undershot , is the only real way of getting fibrewad ammo that is going to get near or improve on plas wad performance, No cartridge manufacturers take the time they used to to ensure good quality ammo any more, modern technology should be offering more uniform ammo than at any time in history, but sadly the technology is just used to cut even more corners and generate prifit rather than be handed down in quality to the shooter.

Look at an old paper cased eley alphamax shell created just as i outlined above cutting one open was a interesting experience back as a young lad, watching the trouble they had gone to to ensure good uniform balistics in what was make no bones about it a quality product.

Jump forward to say the time of the melenium by then muffled bangs occasional black confeti were not uncommon by then, fibre wad ammo was down to stick a paper capped felt in and hope it seals good enough and ldets just charge a bit more for it, sometimes this approach works and you can get a decent enough load to get you by, but if you bwant real plaswad beating performance you fibre wad folk out there sorry to say the only way your going to get real top line performance from felt ammo is create your own and RELOAD.

[wymberley]

I like fibre wads i think used in well developed loads they work fantastic, even patterns are easy to get from fibres they respond to detail changes, and if used properly are superior to plaswads.

Now Fibre wad its a loose term, and means to some cartridge firms ,, in fact most of them these days as just that ...A FIBRE WAD PAPER CAPPED PERHAPS dropped on to the powder and shot droped in and crimped up job done.

Fibre wads can be different in construction some hard some soft some soft and sticky some capped some not capped some have under shot cards some dont.

A true effective fibre wad load is efficient and down to the sum of its components and care thats gone into its creation you cant just drop powder plonk a wad in add shot and call it done .

You struggle this day and age to get decent quality fiber wad ammo and if you do you will pay a massive premium.

Fibre wad ammo needs good gas sealing to stand a chance to efficiently burn the powder regardless of type, Card gas seal inverted style under cork then white felt then fibre then nitro card undershot , is the only real way of getting fibrewad ammo that is going to get near or improve on plas wad performance, No cartridge manufacturers take the time they used to to ensure good quality ammo any more, modern technology should be offering more uniform ammo than at any time in history, but sadly the technology is just used to cut even more corners and generate prifit rather than be handed down in quality to the shooter.

Look at an old paper cased eley alphamax shell created just as i outlined above cutting one open was a interesting experience back as a young lad, watching the trouble they had gone to to ensure good uniform balistics in what was make no bones about it a quality product.

Jump forward to say the time of the melenium by then muffled bangs occasional black confeti were not uncommon by then, fibre wad ammo was down to stick a paper capped felt in and hope it seals good enough and ldets just charge a bit more for it, sometimes this approach works and you can get a decent enough load to get you by, but if you bwant real plaswad beating performance you fibre wad folk out there sorry to say the only way your going to get real top line performance from felt ammo is create your own and RELOAD.

Or buy Rottweil. I'm obliged to use non plastic and these have felt stamped all over the place if anyone wants to check. How the blazes am I supposed to know that twixt powder and shot there's a plastic obturator.

[TONY R]

Or buy Rottweil. I'm obliged to use non plastic and these have felt stamped all over the place if anyone wants to check. How the blazes am I supposed to know that twixt powder and shot there's a plastic obturator.

It says typoo on london buses but they do not sell tea on them.

Only way you know whats exactly in a cartridge is load it yourself, then you know exactly the weights are uniform effective gas sealing wading wraping buffering whatever else you chose to do, YOU KNOW. your not taking anybody elses word for it.

Now performance again its down to you dial in what you want and it will do it exactly and if it dont its you to blame.

Failing that its strip inspect and decide from there im afraid, and even trhen component changes un anounced are far from rare in the factory ammo world, it really is a lotery to some extent what you get when you buy ammo, and rather than getting better they are getting worse these days. Hope you find what you want which ever direction you chose to go.

[wymberley]

It says typoo on london buses but they do not sell tea on them.

Only way you know whats exactly in a cartridge is load it yourself, then you know exactly the weights are uniform effective gas sealing wading wraping buffering whatever else you chose to do, YOU KNOW. your not taking anybody elses word for it.

Now performance again its down to you dial in what you want and it will do it exactly and if it dont its you to blame.

Failing that its strip inspect and decide from there im afraid, and even trhen component changes un anounced are far from rare in the factory ammo world, it really is a lotery to some extent what you get when you buy ammo, and rather than getting better they are getting worse these days. Hope you find what you want which ever direction you chose to go.

Hope the PM explains things.