UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I have a similar opinion about the police. If ever a police officer is hurt (or worse) the relevant constabulary drops everything, goes into overdrive and the culprit is promptly brought to the strictest form of justice permitted. Why then when a police officer is found to be breaking the law is he/she inevitably given a lenient sentence? If they are trusted to enforce and uphold the law and then deliberately break it they should face a far harsher sentence than the rest of us!!! So in order to justify your allegations that police officers get more lenient sentences you post this: "Imagine you lived in a country which last year had 3,000 allegations of police corruption. Worse, imagine that of these 3,000 allegations only half of them were properly investigated — because for police officers in this country, corruption was becoming routine. Imagine that the police increasingly used their powers to crack down not on criminals but on anyone who dared speak out against them. What sort of a country is this? Well, it’s Britain I’m afraid — where what was once the finest, most honest service in the world is in danger of becoming rotten". The above is a quotation from a very well known newspaper printed last year! Where is the correlation of lenient sentencing in your second post? It is a totally different point and taken together shows that you might just be a little bit biased towards the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Well lets hope you're right. My partner and I ran a business for over ten years, which largely used cash, during that period we were robbed on 6 separate occasions. On occasion one occasion alone we lost £3.5k. We even dropped CCTV footage at the local police station as they couldn't be bothered to collect it and again heard nothing. We had a man go berserk, threatens and push staff, force is way into a restricted area, all caught again on CCTV. One of the arresting officers told us (after watching the footage) he would be charged with affray, which was a more serious charge than assualt, he was released without charge and back to his old tricks the next day! During all these robberies we never set eyes on the CID, they would arrange a visit but never showed up on any of the occasions. This perhaps explains why I'm cynical about the police!!!! So now you are alleging that the police are lazy, disinterested and untrustworthy in your experience; but where does this support your allegation that police officers are treated more leniently in court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 So in order to justify your allegations that police officers get more lenient sentences you post this: Where is the correlation of lenient sentencing in your second post? It is a totally different point and taken together shows that you might just be a little bit biased towards the police. I thought it would be obvious. If over half the allegations of corruption aren't even being investigated that's worse than light sentencing, it's no sentencing at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I'm sure the police would like to do nothing more than remove scum from the streets as it's usually the same small percentage of people who cause all their work. I have upmost respect for the police, it's a tough job and they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't, just remember it's the politician's who set law and the police in my experience are trying to do a near impossible task with one hand tied behind their backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I'm sure the police would like to do nothing more than remove scum from the streets as it's usually the same small percentage of people who cause all their work. I have upmost respect for the police, it's a tough job and they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't, just remember it's the politician's who set law and the police in my experience are trying to do a near impossible task with one hand tied behind their backs. Quite obviously you haven't been a victim of crime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I thought it would be obvious. If over half the allegations of corruption aren't even being investigated that's worse than light sentencing, it's no sentencing at all! Now you are squirming. Tell us how you came to the conclusion that the police officers who ended up in court and found guilty were given more lenient sentences than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 So now you are alleging that the police are lazy, disinterested and untrustworthy in your experience; but where does this support your allegation that police officers are treated more leniently in court? I'm not 'alleging' anything, I'm quoting actual occurrences, thought that was what you were asking for. Seems I've touched a nerve!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I'm not 'alleging' anything, I'm quoting actual occurrences, thought that was what you were asking for. Seems I've touched a nerve!!! You haven't quoted any actual occurrences to support your post that police officers get off lightly in court. Everything you have posted since has nothing to do with your first post. I take it that due to the circumstances you mentioned earlier you are not a supporter of the police and therefore believe any anti-police rubbish that you read? I actually agree with two of your points. But not the first one. It is utter garbage and you cannot evidence it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Quite obviously you haven't been a victim of crime! That's a very large presumption, I've probably been assaulted more times in a week than you've had hot dinners and the cps often won't take it on. I however understand the constraints the police work under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 When is this going to be locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 That's a very large presumption, I've probably been assaulted more times in a week than you've had hot dinners and the cps often won't take it on. I however understand the constraints the police work under.For the record this is in the line of my job. Not reckless nights out ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 You haven't quoted any actual occurrences to support your post that police officers get off lightly in court. Everything you have posted since has nothing to do with your first post. I take it that due to the circumstances you mentioned earlier you are not a supporter of the police and therefore believe any anti-police rubbish that you read? I actually agree with two of your points. But not the first one. It is utter garbage and you cannot evidence it. I am not listening to anti-police rubbish as you put it, I am giving examples of my personal experiences of dealing with police when crime has been committed. My opinion, and that of the bulk of my friends and colleagues is that we are fast approaching a situation where it is pointless to report crime. All you receive is a crime number, and the ridiculous implications of this is that it appears crime is falling, when it is just not being reported due to a lack of faith by the public in the police to do anything about what has happened to them! Just out of interest, did you move to france to avoid the Hillsborough enquiry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Just out of interest, did you move to france to avoid the Hillsborough enquiry?Come on. That's well out of order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I am not listening to anti-police rubbish as you put it, I am giving examples of my personal experiences of dealing with police when crime has been committed. My opinion, and that of the bulk of my friends and colleagues is that we are fast approaching a situation where it is pointless to report crime. All you receive is a crime number, and the ridiculous implications of this is that it appears crime is falling, when it is just not being reported due to a lack of faith by the public in the police to do anything about what has happened to them! Just out of interest, did you move to france to avoid the Hillsborough enquiry? Now you are being stupid. Throwing allegations about because you cannot make a valid point. If you can't support your view that police officers get treated leniently in court just admit that you are wrong. We all know it anyway. As for the Hillsborough enquiry; not every South Yorkshire Police officer was involved in it. I'm one of them. And that is another thing that is nothing to do with your initial point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 I am not listening to anti-police rubbish as you put it, I am giving examples of my personal experiences of dealing with police when crime has been committed. My opinion, and that of the bulk of my friends and colleagues is that we are fast approaching a situation where it is pointless to report crime. All you receive is a crime number, and the ridiculous implications of this is that it appears crime is falling, when it is just not being reported due to a lack of faith by the public in the police to do anything about what has happened to them! Just out of interest, did you move to france to avoid the Hillsborough enquiry? That's unjustified, cheap, uncalled for and unwelcome. I'm not convinced that you're a member of the right forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD140 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 That's unjustified, cheap, uncalled for and unwelcome. I'm not convinced that you're a member of the right forum Nor am I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Well this is going well isn't it? NOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Nor am I! Please do us all a favour and leave then, this is a civilised place. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustaff Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 back to reality jo cox trial. we as tax payers are now having to feed the **** for the rest of his life in a prison heated cell full medical care three cooked meals aday is this justice to our society . bring back hanging and if you cant find a hangman i will gladly start a hangman business up and do a few for free to get established Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 back to reality jo cox trial. we as tax payers are now having to feed the **** for the rest of his life in a prison heated cell full medical care three cooked meals aday is this justice to our society . bring back hanging and if you cant find a hangman i will gladly start a hangman business up and do a few for free to get established So then, back to reality. We've established and accept that it's wrong to kill people, hence the trial and conviction in this tragic case. If (society) then kills the guilty party by hanging how is that any different to the original event, which was wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Still not locked, shame on any moderator for ignoring this debical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 Still not locked, shame on any moderator for ignoring this debical. Its nearly midnight and it's midweek. We have jobs and lives to lead beyond sitting on topics on here asking when they are going to be locked. This one will now close, if only to allow those with nothing better to do to go to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Still not locked, shame on any moderator for ignoring this debical. Just to add to Zapps comment, There is a report button that members can use, it's not possible for the moderators to monitor EVERY post/thread, I find your comment offensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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