HW95J Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Looking for advice here. I currently live in a rented property and have alternative storage arrangements in place for my guns. It's not very convenient however so I'd like to install a cabinet. Before I ask my letting agent for permission, I need some pretty specific advice on fixings. I only rent the property for 10 months of the year and if they let me put a safe in at all they might want it gone for the period I'm not in the property. Obviously the guns will be out either way. If this is the case, is there a bolt that enables you to remove the cabinet from the inside if necessary (leaving the bolts in the wall) then put it back again? Another requirement is of course that I can repair the holes etc easily enough when I move out permanently in a few years. Complicated situation but FEO was happy enough when we discussed the idea during interview. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Use these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+%26+Fixings/d90/Steel+Anchors/sd2040 Drill hole insert anchor then expand with a punch this leaves the threaded insert in the wall with nothing protruding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Cheers for the reply, so I can leave the insert in the wall and remove/replace the screws multiple times if need be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Yes as long as you do not over tighten the bolts , the last thing you want to happen is an insert spinning in the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Just make sure fixing method is appropriate for the wall and you fill them over and repaint if necessary before you leave. If you ask the agent for permission they will probably say no, if you stick to the terms of your tenancy then your doing nothing wrong. Might be different in Scotland though as your property laws are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 That's part of the problem- it wouldn't be sticking to the tenancy as firearms and ammo (no distinction between licenced/unlicenced!) are specifically prohibited in the lease. Would need their permission to overcome that and for getting the safe in. I don't hold out much hope to be honest, I think it'll all sound a bit scary and difficult. Got to try though! Best case scenario is being able to bolt it in a leave it but as I say, anything not 'in the textbook' will probably be impossible to negotiate. Have considered something like one of those brattonsound auto sentinel cabinets which mount to a bracket fixed to the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I have always bolted a safe in a concealed place then made good on departure. No problems yet, everywhere has prohibited firearms. Once i made the mistake of telling an agent i would be looking to secure a safe whilst house hunting and was immediately off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm with WB, don't tell them or you'll pay even you cover up the holes. Try installng it into an inbuilt wardobe where they wouldn't normally look for wall damages and when bolting it to the floor make sure you cut the carpet and keep it to glu it back on. I moved my cabinet a week before i moved house (with police consent) and had all the time to fill in the holes with filler, let it dry, sand it down refill, resand and paint few times the whole inner wardrobe to the point the holes were not visible if the agent had inspected it. I rented the place for 4 years and had yearly and surprise visit; however, since they can't look at private places like drawers and wardrobes you'll be fine; different thing if it isn't hidden away; agent will see it and you might have your tennancy terminated or wll be liable for the whole wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 It's not just the safe issue. You will also have to send certificate back and forward for addy changes, new inspections at each change of location. If you are out for two months then back again??? I did it once for a year and then six moths and back again. It's a god way to get to know the officers :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Have you got access to the loft .if so can you not fix it up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I didn't say anything to my land lord, it was fitted in a cupboard and they checked the property every 6 months. made good the holes when i left and that was for 9 years never a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 No access to the loft either. I think I'll just forget about it for the moment as I can still shoot, just not as handy as having them in the property. Is the firearms clause in every lease? Thought it varied from agent to agent. Wouldn't have to send the cert back for address change, as discussed with FEO could have had an arrangement where they were just stored with RFD for those months and firearms dept notified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 No access to the loft either. I think I'll just forget about it for the moment as I can still shoot, just not as handy as having them in the property. Is the firearms clause in every lease? Thought it varied from agent to agent. Wouldn't have to send the cert back for address change, as discussed with FEO could have had an arrangement where they were just stored with RFD for those months and firearms dept notified. Everywhere I have lived it has been in the contract, places without contracts put together by some lawyer type somewhere have been scared off immediately bar one case (cottage on my current permission sadly vetoed by the other half) where they then asked if I wanted some shooting. Didn't rent the place but do now shoot there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Did the letting agent ask the landlord or did they just say no without asking .my daughter rents one out down here and would let You put a case in .my next door neighbour used to have his screwed to the floor not the wall and that was passed by police . Can you do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Not actually raised the issue with them, it's looking too complicated and tbh I don't want to make things difficult RE dealing with the agent in future. If it was direct to a landlord it would be a bit easier. Thought I'd get advice on the forum as to the practicality before bothering and had some great responses so thanks for the advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) These are standard downloadable contracts that they use. There are lots of other clauses that people don't even realise exist in the contracts because they cover every eventuality imaginable. No animals, no more than x people allowed in the flat at any one time etc. I doubt the letting agent has even read the contract. If it was me I would just do it and say nothing. You can have more than one storage location on your certificate, people with holiday homes do. The other thing, and this might be a bit more difficult now, it doesn't have to be a cabinet. Lots of people just have a wall clamp in a locked cupboard. There is nothing in law that says it has to be a cabinet but the mindset is now pretty established. Actually convincing a FEO you don't need a cabinet might be more of a challenge but for occasional storage it would be legal to just have a wall clamp. Edited December 12, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Living in a very rural area I told the owner of the flat I am looking to rent, that I am a SGC/FAC holder , thinking it best to be upfront and honest about it. Turns out she owns a SGC also. Sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 If you only have one shotgun, is it not permissable to only have a gun cable to secure it? I might be wrong but I don't think you need to have a cabinet if its only for one shotgun?? I might be totally wrong on that though ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Wall clamp has been considered, I actually have one from when a family member gave up shooting. Trouble is I have more than one shotgun already and you know how they multiply I'm shooting less at the minute because i'm busy but if it comes to next year and it's getting to be a real pain I think I'll look into putting the clamp in and at least I could pick whatever I'm using most and keep it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Over here a safe over one ton weight does not have to be secured. Assuming you have means to transport one an old safe potentially part filled with bricks then weigh bridged could do the trick without having to drill any holes. You could claim it was a novelty TV stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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