wymberley Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 WIth the exception of 3 Crowns, does anyone know why Hull have decided to turn their noses up at No 7s in 12 bore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 They do loads Soverins Three crowns High pheasant Pro one Imp game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Are you sure wymberley? There range shows a 7 shot size in there imperial, sovereign Pro one etc.http://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/index.htm Personally i look at gamebore for a no. 7 black gold, white gold etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) I have some Imperial 28g and High Pheasant 30g both in 7s. Note the brackets on their website for the former and for the latter, 7s have disappeared completely. Edited December 25, 2016 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 They have trimmed a few specs out I'll try and find out over next couple of days but I know the 7s in the game shells were pretty slow sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 They have trimmed a few specs out I'll try and find out over next couple of days but I know the 7s in the game shells were pretty slow sellers. Thanks, Ed. Had a slip of the pen - I said 'Sovereign' - which I've now edited - but meant 'Imperial'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) WIth the exception of 3 Crowns, does anyone know why Hull have decided to turn their noses up at No 7s in 12 bore? Most ammunition purchasers are suffering from a variant of the disease "magnumitus pelletus" which is extremely infectious and currently running at epidemic levels brought on by wishing to be able to bring down nuclear bombers as they pass overhead at 40,000ft, ammunition manufacturers have also been infected with a similar enabling strain call "maximus poundius" by encouraging and providing said ammunition, as a result uninfected purchasers and normal ammunition supplies are running scarce. Merry Christmas! Edited December 25, 2016 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 Thanks, Ed. Had a slip of the pen - I said 'Sovereign' - which I've now edited - but meant 'Imperial'. They have just given me some 28g 4s as a demo load in imperial to test, not sure what the idea behind them is pellet count will be very low wouldn't fancy them on the high stuff but possibly made for the lighter side by side shooter who fancies a pop on the high birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) They have just given me some 28g 4s as a demo load in imperial to test, not sure what the idea behind them is pellet count will be very low wouldn't fancy them on the high stuff but possibly made for the lighter side by side shooter who fancies a pop on the high birds. They'd have been better off doing that with the High Pheasant in my opinion from my experience. Imperial shoot quite open in all my guns which is perfectly OK when that's what you want. However, it's the opposite with the High Pheasant. I appreciate that one is 28g and the other 30g, but I use both in my AyA XXV boxlock with 2&1/2" chambers and neither are heavy on the gun or shoulder. The pellet count would be interesting. For us old codgers who used English money, what they term as No 4s are very much closer to, if not the same as, English No 3s. Edited December 26, 2016 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 They have just given me some 28g 4s as a demo load in imperial to test, not sure what the idea behind them is pellet count will be very low wouldn't fancy them on the high stuff but possibly made for the lighter side by side shooter who fancies a pop on the high birds. What ever you do, pattern them first at 40 and 50 yards and see what they are like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 What ever you do, pattern them first at 40 and 50 yards and see what they are like. Whereas, provided you shoot several hundred to get a reasonable assessment, filed trials will always be preferable to theory, the latter is not a bad starting point though to get you in the ballpark. As we're talking game loads, we'll assume pheasant and also that they pattern to spec'. If we also take it that "pattern kills", then theory suggests that you're going to lose it at some 45 yards even with full choke - and that's for cocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Haven't seen anyone shoot 7s for years now. Everyone seems to want 32g 5 even for 25 metre birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Normally don't bother patterning but think I will have to on these as won't be using them on enough days to give enough reliable feedback on how they shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 They have just given me some 28g 4s as a demo load in imperial to test, not sure what the idea behind them is pellet count will be very low wouldn't fancy them on the high stuff but possibly made for the lighter side by side shooter who fancies a pop on the high birds. Adam Calvert got a load of these it seems and he seemed to think were good ( reviewed from his FB posts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Yes I know Adam has gone through good numbers, be interesting to see how they perform next to a more regular load of mine. I'm not a fan of fibres unless the shoot dictates it so another interesting comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Haven't seen anyone shoot 7s for years now. Everyone seems to want 32g 5 even for 25 metre birds. Agree ! It`s quite bizaar really how media hype can make such things happen but it`ll be swelling the cartridge makers coffers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Yes I know Adam has gone through good numbers, be interesting to see how they perform next to a more regular load of mine. I'm not a fan of fibres unless the shoot dictates it so another interesting comparison. Problem is plastics are not really allowed anymore. I honestly think they will become a thing of the past in the next few years. On the clay ground who cares, but it wouldn't surprise me if SSSI or stewardship stops grants etc if wads are everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Agree ! It`s quite bizaar really how media hype can make such things happen but it`ll be swelling the cartridge makers coffers . Birds haven't got higher really, and I'd say 80% of birds in this country can be shot all day long with a standard 6 load. Tomorrow I am on a small day (100) in Dorset with birds from 20-35 metres; I will use a fibre 29g 6 , but I bet everyone else will use a "high bird" load. Everyone to their own and dead is dead but it doesn't do the gamedealer many favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 I think it depends where you go, with the exception of warter priory and 2 other shoots I've been on this year all have allowed plastic wads. I'd 100% agree ounce of 6 is plenty of your working around the 30 yard mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Hull are a tad cagey with their MV figures in as much as they don't define the 'V' distance. Transposing the figures from their velocity graph, as near as I could get, it looked as though it was V2.5 which in the case of 7s meant c1650 at the muzzle - a very quick cartridge. I wonder if they've reduced this (considerably) to tighten up the pattern to compensate for the low pellet count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Most shoots I've been on this season are still happy for you to use plastic. Ed correct me if I'm wrong but I belive from a previous post you preference is for heavy loads and shoot especially for high birds? Edited December 26, 2016 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Birds haven't got higher really, and I'd say 80% of birds in this country can be shot all day long with a standard 6 load. Tomorrow I am on a small day (100) in Dorset with birds from 20-35 metres; I will use a fibre 29g 6 , but I bet everyone else will use a "high bird" load. Everyone to their own and dead is dead but it doesn't do the gamedealer many favours. Yep,there was a fairly well proven reasoning behind 1 1/16 oz of #6 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Most shoots I've been on this season are still happy for you to use plastic. Ed correct me if I'm wrong but I belive from a previous post you preference is for heavy loads and shoot especially for high birds? I load and occasionally shoot at some rather nice estates and shoots and in the booking contract it asks you to use fibre wads. Farm type shoots and some others don't care but on a lot you will find it's fibre only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Anyone remember the Impax 7s of yesteryear? They were THE go to cartridge for pheasant and partridge. I have been shooting RC 6s (UK5and a bits) and Fiocchi 6s(same) but recently bought some of the newly listed 18g Fiocchi in 8s( UK 7 and a bits) in my 410. I shot partridge and pheasant with them ten days ago, some birds out at 30 to 35yrds and out of the 118 bag to 8 guns and I think I contributed 18 or 19 and only had one runner. As said, the very small minority of 'skyscraper' bird shooting and the pressure to buy the heaviest load and at least #4 shot, has become fashionable. I note that on one shoot I am on, some of the 12 gauge shells on show have more brass than plastic and labelling on boxes which would make the most open advertising agent blush. To see a bird more than 30yrds up on this shoot is rare... don't get me wrong they are good sporting birds, but don't require these huge loads and I have also noticed that the birds I have taken home and dressed where badly knocked about, fit only for game pies or game burgers. On Edit ....yes, I was weaned on Eley Grand Prix 1 1/16oz 6s and 7s. BUT as a young tyro back then, when the Eley Maximum came out ...guess what?? Edited December 26, 2016 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Anyone remember the Impax 7s of yesteryear? They were THE go to cartridge for pheasant and partridge. I have been shooting RC 6s (UK5and a bits) and Fiocchi 6s(same) but recently bought some of the newly listed 18g Fiocchi in 8s( UK 7 and a bits) in my 410. I shot partridge and pheasant with them ten days ago, some birds out at 30 to 35yrds and out of the 118 bag to 8 guns and I think I contributed 18 or 19 and only had one runner. As said, the very small minority of 'skyscraper' bird shooting and the pressure to buy the heaviest load and at least #4 shot, has become fashionable. I note that on one shoot I am on, some of the 12 gauge shells on show have more brass than plastic and labelling on boxes which would make the most open advertising agent blush. To see a bird more than 30yrds up on this shoot is rare... don't get me wrong they are good sporting birds, but don't require these huge loads and I have also noticed that the birds I have taken home and dressed where badly knocked about, fit only for game pies or game burgers. On Edit ....yes, I was weaned on Eley Grand Prix 1 1/16oz 6s and 7s. BUT as a young tyro back then, when the Eley Maximum came out ...guess what?? This is my whole point; people need be realistic about what they are shooting at. My local shop has a heap of Impax 6/7's and can't shift many a year because everyone wants 32+ 4/5's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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