walt1980 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Think I saw a while ago that someone rented shotkams out? Want to see what ones like before I spend that much money on something really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Theres a good video on here showing how it works http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/349977-driven-pheasant-teal-duck-partridge-with-rob-the-dog-and-max-aged-10/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Have a look at this one on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261686068829 I know a few people who have bought them and been very impressed, it's 1080p full HD recording and if you make an offer you can get them less than £40.00 That seller has UK stock but you can get it for less shipped from China. I'll be getting one myself soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Ebay ones are not any where in the same league Walt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I thought the same until I saw this one myself, the image quality is excellent but it doesn't have some of the same software features. The price of Shotkam is obscene for what it is, even a top GoPro 4K camera is half that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I thought the same until I saw this one myself, the image quality is excellent but it doesn't have some of the same software features. The price of Shotkam is obscene for what it is, even a top GoPro 4K camera is half that price. Does this one have a red dot like the ShotKam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Magnum Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Does this one have a red dot like the ShotKam? Probably not, but just edit one into the video when you drop it onto the pc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyeruk Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I have got one of the ebay cams. Although they are great value,there not a patch on a ShotKam. And no.they dont have a red dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Thanks. Does any one have one of these and would be willing to post some footage pls? (The cheap one on ebay) Edited January 9, 2017 by silver pigeon69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Get a black marker pen and put a dot on the lens - it works lol Or edit it on the video if you must. The dot is always central in the video anyway so you can see where you were aiming without one. £600 extra for a crosshair is a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I used the eBay one quite a bit. In fact I'm planning to use it this friday on a driven day. It's NOT a shotkam, by far, but it has a much wider angle. To be fair to the shotkam, excellent tech etc, however the field is precise but too narrow IMO. You get no idea of the gun movement up to that point where you pick the bird/clay. The ebay one being a LOT wider, you see the 'setup' even if you don't see the shot string, basically you see more of the sky, gun mount, followup and shooting. On CLOSE clays/birds you see the shot string as well, but it's not really meant for that. The ebay one comes with a 'gun mount' that is *utterly useless* -- you need a bit of time with pliers, and a lot of tape to make it 'barrel safe' so it stays in place and doesn't damage your gun. But well, it's 1/20th of the price or so, so it's definitely worth /that/. But it requires some TLC. I /think/ it's worth it tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) I've uploaded a small video I did with the ebay one on a skeet range, it's not on youtube because I want it to keep it as original as can be, but it gives an idea. Note that I realized later that it was not /tight/ on the barrels and I had to redo the mounting (you can see the bottom of the barrels in/out of view because of that), but it'll still give an idea of the angle of view compared to the shotkam. On this one you see the scene, and the gunmount, and stuff like that. http://oomz.net/FILE0009.MOV Edited January 9, 2017 by buze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Thanks. can you slow the footage down to the point where you can see the shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Thanks. can you slow the footage down to the point where you can see the shot? If you download the file and open it in movie player, you can do frame-by-frame on it, most fo the time there are 2 or 3 frames where you see the cloud. This one might not be the perfect example as the camera wasn't fixed properly and wobbled a bit -- but often it's quite useful -- mind you, mostly for closer clays, the really long ones you don't see that much of the break, especially if you 'dust' it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigH91 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 great footage so for comparison here's the same 2 stations but filmed with a Shotkam https://youtu.be/82goD0FfYAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Thanks @thebigH91 -- seems that in an ideal world, we'd need both on the same gun ;-) -- I rather like the 'wide' view as it shows how the gun was placed before shooting, and of course the Shotkam as it shows where exactly the shot went... The 'wide' view was very helpful to track down gun placement, 'stopped gun' problems etc. That's how I discovered that my wife was very so slightly moving the gun toward the trap before going the other way to follow the clay; such a small movement, but turns out it was quite important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I've uploaded a small video I did with the ebay one on a skeet range, it's not on youtube because I want it to keep it as original as can be, but it gives an idea. Note that I realized later that it was not /tight/ on the barrels and I had to redo the mounting (you can see the bottom of the barrels in/out of view because of that), but it'll still give an idea of the angle of view compared to the shotkam. On this one you see the scene, and the gunmount, and stuff like that. http://oomz.net/FILE0009.MOV that's a pretty good picture for a cheap unit, im sure a dot in the middle with a bit of pattern testing would make it a good little project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 that's a pretty good picture for a cheap unit, im sure a dot in the middle with a bit of pattern testing would make it a good little project. Actually you don't need that much; if the camera is secured properly, you can just move your mouse pointer in the middle of the window when playing it back, and it'll act as a 'red dot' -- it's actually pretty easy to spot where the camera is aiming after a couple of tries. I have to say, despite the poor mount that required quite a bit of gaffer tape to make it safe for mounting on the barrels, the camera itself is rather good. Also survived being dunked in coffee (don't ask) once and still works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I have this camera and several others,chasing an illusive camera,proberly Shotkam.. Two Distinct differences with Shotkam ..A.. It does not show recoil,and ..B.. it shows where the gun was pointed...if you youtube the bloke that goes regular pheasant shooting,,He can now work out that not only are the birds going forward,,(which you would expect lol) But that the birds are curling as well on the flight path,,His words not mine.. A lot of shooting schools are useing these as an INSTANT AID,,By showing the gun stopping,it would be seen by student on the field,,Great aid for learning no doubt but once the problem is sorted a lot of private individuals sell them on,,With not a big drop in price either,RARE But they do come up now and then.. Would I buy one,,YES,,But too Rich for a pensioner,,lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigH91 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 buze, I've used a headcam for a round of skeet and agree the wider view has its good points, I noticed I was moving my gun before the clay appeared. To me it's a more social view while shooting but the ShotKam gives me a better personal perspective especially on the misses which there are a fair few. As for cost 4 of us clubbed together which helps, and I'm retired as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) I've uploaded a small video I did with the ebay one on a skeet range, it's not on youtube because I want it to keep it as original as can be, but it gives an idea. Note that I realized later that it was not /tight/ on the barrels and I had to redo the mounting (you can see the bottom of the barrels in/out of view because of that), but it'll still give an idea of the angle of view compared to the shotkam. On this one you see the scene, and the gunmount, and stuff like that. http://oomz.net/FILE0009.MOV It amazes me just how many empties you see lying around the bins, it's not exactly difficult to pick them up, just to be clear I wasn't having a dig at yourself, nice camera though as the picture looked good considering the price. Edited January 10, 2017 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 It amazes me just how many empties you see lying around the bins, it's not exactly difficult to pick them up, just to be clear I wasn't having a dig at yourself, nice camera though as the picture looked good considering the price. Yeah I know, I've seen pretty good shots toss the empties JUST outside the bins, I always have a dig at them that they could improve their aim there as well ;-) Mind you I do occasionally miss as well, ESPECIALLY if I'm ****** off having missed the clay, I'm sure you see what I mean. Little bit of swearing under the breath ;-) Mind you this is AC sporting, on a busy day there is a LOT of shooting happening, and the odd 'miss' will start to show up around the bins; they do a full cleanup round later on. It's not as bad as semi-auto's tho (no personal dig intended, I'm just glad I don't shoot one for that reason) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Yeah I know, I've seen pretty good shots toss the empties JUST outside the bins, I always have a dig at them that they could improve their aim there as well ;-) Mind you I do occasionally miss as well, ESPECIALLY if I'm ****** off having missed the clay, I'm sure you see what I mean. Little bit of swearing under the breath ;-) Mind you this is AC sporting, on a busy day there is a LOT of shooting happening, and the odd 'miss' will start to show up around the bins; they do a full cleanup round later on. It's not as bad as semi-auto's tho (no personal dig intended, I'm just glad I don't shoot one for that reason) Ah yes I know what you mean, missing the clay and then the bin normally results in a 'roll of the eyes' I won't comment on semi autos, I'd end up being labelled a troll (joke) Edited January 11, 2017 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Thanks @thebigH91 -- seems that in an ideal world, we'd need both on the same gun ;-) -- I rather like the 'wide' view as it shows how the gun was placed before shooting, and of course the Shotkam as it shows where exactly the shot went... The 'wide' view was very helpful to track down gun placement, 'stopped gun' problems etc. That's how I discovered that my wife was very so slightly moving the gun toward the trap before going the other way to follow the clay; such a small movement, but turns out it was quite important. This should easily have been picked up just watching her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 buze, I've used a headcam for a round of skeet and agree the wider view has its good points, I noticed I was moving my gun before the clay appeared. To me it's a more social view while shooting but the ShotKam gives me a better personal perspective especially on the misses which there are a fair few. As for cost 4 of us clubbed together which helps, and I'm retired as well. Does that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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