callofduty Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 if i was installing my own safe would i put a bolt raw plug in the wall and screw the bolt in, or do i have to have a nut on each side of the bolt or wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duster Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Expanding Rawlbolts are perfect for the job. Go for the all-metal variety - you'll find them in any good DIY centre. Make sure you drill the correct size hole to obtain a good fit, it is important that you get the cabinet tight against the wall. My FEO tried his best to pull mine off the wall during his visit, so amke sure it is secure. A couple of coach bolts through the bottom of the cabinet into the floor joists are a wise addition if possible, but watch out for cables/pipework beneath the floor. Don't worry about having a nut/bolt assembly through the wall, the Rawlbolts will be fine. Duster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callofduty Posted May 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 i have a sgc but not a gun safe in my house so when i fit one i will keep that in mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 The ones that came with my cab were puny, I upgraded them to m10 metal balcony bolts from B&Q, £6.99 I think. It aint going nowhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuu Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Best thing to use is the brass type expanding rawl bolt 6-8mm depending on your maisonry quality. You may need to drill out the holes in the back of your safe to allow the bolt through. I had some trouble as my maisonry was crumbling, i finally got a good fix using the 10mm drillsize fixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I used the large (16mm drill) brass rawl bolts on mine, six of them. The FEO took one look at the size of the bolt heads, smiled, and said "that aint going anywhere is it"! If someone wants my guns, they'll have to take the corner of the house. Because it's upstairs in a corner, that could result in them ending up under the rubble with the stuff they were trying to steal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuck1 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 As above, hefty bolts into stonework. I used chemical fixings too, to be sure. The cabinet is more solid than the rest of my house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I used 10M metal anchar bolts drilled four16mm holes into a concret floor and two into a block built wall (cabinet is mounted horizontally) then put 40mm square metal washers on the inside of the cabinet for good measure. It's installed tight to the corner, under the stairs - not much room to attack it with a jemmy/crowbar and it's very secure. I almost put my back out, pulling on it while testing the fixings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callofduty Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 do i need to use 8mm rawl bolts like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duster Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Go for 10mm jobs if possible, the bigger the better Duster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Go for 10mm or 12mm straight through anchors they are the only job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callofduty Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 yes iv have just bort 6 of them but are there ok for the job would the feo be ok with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 In my experience the FEO just looks at it...never tried to pull it off! So long as your happy that if someone breaks into your house and tries to nick your guns that they're going to have a really hard time, then your sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 In my experience the FEO just looks at it...never tried to pull it off! So long as your happy that if someone breaks into your house and tries to nick your guns that they're going to have a really hard time, then your sorted. would love to see them nick mine i put it in the corner and drilled these massive studs in whilst the cab was in place .. it wasnt till after that we noticed a problem .. The window sill will stop it cuming off the wall so if i decided to move i will have to rip out the window sill to move the cab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 The FLO just grabed hold of mine and checked it was secure the bolts you have are more than up to the job. A tip is to either remove the skirting board where you want to mount the cab or mount the cab above the skirting board. The house I live in is rented so I went for the latter option. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callofduty Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 ty i justed wanted to know if they where ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 The house I live in is a timber frame house with dry walls (plaster board inside) with no brick inside just out-side What do I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 The house I live in is a timber frame house with dry walls (plaster board inside) with no brick inside just out-side What do I do. I had a similar problem - no interior brick or block walls - but I do have a basement with poured concrete floor/walls. Trouble is that the like many older houses I couldn't find a suitably level surface where the floor met the wall. I decided to lay the cabinet on its back and simply bolt it to the floor. Obviously it does take up a lot of floor space but I'm fortunate in having a plenty of space to spare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 The house I live in is a timber frame house with dry walls (plaster board inside) with no brick inside just out-side What do I do. I had a similar problem - no interior brick or block walls - but I do have a basement with poured concrete floor/walls. Trouble is that the like many older houses I couldn't find a suitably level surface where the floor met the wall. I decided to lay the cabinet on its back and simply bolt it to the floor. Obviously it does take up a lot of floor space but I'm fortunate in having a plenty of space to spare. Sadley I don't have a basement the average house in the uk is too small and cramped for that, but laying it down in my ''wardrope'' bolted to the timber floor frame. The house I live in is a timber frame house with dry walls (plaster board inside) with no brick inside just out-side What do I do. I had a similar problem - no interior brick or block walls - but I do have a basement with poured concrete floor/walls. Trouble is that the like many older houses I couldn't find a suitably level surface where the floor met the wall. I decided to lay the cabinet on its back and simply bolt it to the floor. Obviously it does take up a lot of floor space but I'm fortunate in having a plenty of space to spare. Sadley I don't have a basement the average house in the uk is too small and cramped for that, but laying it down in my ''wardrope'' bolted to the timber floor frame. That could pass the fo's aproval, I just might have to give him a bell and hear what he has to suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callofduty Posted May 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 just put it to the nearest outside wall all rooms have a outside wall(well most) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callofduty Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 i only really wanted to know if the bolts were ok lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oloveridge Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 i think those are ok aslong as there are bolted to the wall tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 The house I live in is a timber frame house with dry walls (plaster board inside) with no brick inside just out-side What do I do. Do you live in a house made by redrow? if it is new then you will have a steel frame with the centres every 300 - 500mm Another alternative is to lay the cab flat on the floor drop 6 holes into the fllor (they are usually concerete sub floors and use the raw bolts, with all six in it shouldnt go anywhere. Ask the FLO but that will be probably what he suggests as with it mounted flat it will only sit between 6 and 12'' off the ground so trying to get leverage on it will be a problem for any would be thief. Dont try and bolt it to plasterboard as even with the spring clips when the FLO gives it a tug it will pull dirty great holes out of your walls.... and rawbolts are no good in plaster as they need somthing to 1. grip on to and 2. flatten out against. How big is the cvity between the walls? Hope that helps... if you need more info PM me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanky Doodle Pigeon Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 I had a similar problem. My FEO advised me to use coach screws to fix my safe to joists in the loft. You would need to destroy half the house to get the safe out. I guess this could be differenct in your area though. Best bet is to ask your FEO directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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