Danger-Mouse Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 So Labour keeps Stoke but loses in Copeland. Not good for Nuttal and UKIP but certainly much worse for Corbyn and Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I suspect it was UKIP's last chance. I can't see them recovering from that. I think the Conservatives under May have stolen some of UKIP's thunder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 i think ukip peaked some time ago, it was all about the man, nigel, its over folks, the system blocks them in a way, they got 4m votes which was incredible, but just the one seat although the eu covers many issues, they are essentially a single issue party. You should be grateful for ukip if you are a brexiteer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Appalling !!! turn out though, at Stoke. Only 32% of people could be bothered to use their vote. Don't you think there is a reason here for making voting compulsory, even if people abstained ? Just 18% of the people of Stoke actually voted for the winner. Apathy ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 UKIP was never going to be a party of government. Their sole aim was to get the UK out of the EU and that process has begun largely down to their popularity shaping Conservative policies. As for the low turnout; it has been happening in local council elections for decades and is a sign of the times that people no longer care about politics as they don't see any real change or differences between the candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) I never thought Nuttall was the right man for leadership of UKIP, he lost that by-election for UKIP purely because he was not a suitable candidate. He's been caught out lying, he has a whining Scouse accent which sounds awful on the radio and tends to distract from what he says. Most of all. he's not a person you warm to, he comes over to me as a bit of a plonker. Peter Whittle would have done much better Edited February 24, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 UKIP was never going to be a party of government. Their sole aim was to get the UK out of the EU and that process has begun largely down to their popularity shaping Conservative policies. As for the low turnout; it has been happening in local council elections for decades and is a sign of the times that people no longer care about politics as they don't see any real change or differences between the candidates. UKIP could transition to fill the gap left by Labour who similarly don't have a raison de etre The low turnout could be attributed, at least in part, to the weather. They had 80mph winds, heavy rain, trees down etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I never thought Nuttall was the right man for leadership of UKIP, he lost that by-election for UKIP purely because he was not a suitable candidate. He's been caught out lying, he has a whining Scouse accent which sounds awful on the radio and tends to distract from what he says. Most of all. he's not a person you warm to, he comes over to me as a bit of a plonker. Peter Whittle would have done much better Spot on 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I never thought Nuttall was the right man for leadership of UKIP, he lost that by-election for UKIP purely because he was not a suitable candidate. He's been caught out lying, he has a whining Scouse accent which sounds awful on the radio and tends to distract from what he says. Most of all. he's not a person you warm to, he comes over to me as a bit of a plonker. Peter Whittle would have done much better I can never see him without thinking about Eddie Hitler . . . and it appears I'm not the only one to have noticed the similarity . . . I tend to agree with you Vince, he probably isn't the best choice for leader of UKIP. The truth is though that atm almost any candidate will have a hard time living up to Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 UKIP could transition to fill the gap left by Labour who similarly don't have a raison de etre The low turnout could be attributed, at least in part, to the weather. They had 80mph winds, heavy rain, trees down etc. I don't see how UKIP could replace the Labour Party. They only had one agenda. The Labour Party was taken from the left to centre-right under Kinnock and Bliar. They will probably split into a left leaning party under Corbyn or similar Trotskyite and a centre party under someone such as Alan Johnson or Hilary Benn. As for the low turnout; Stoke had an abysmal turnout last time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 The turnout in these by elections was terrible. We had a local council election last week and it was fantastic. Lots of enthusiastic canvassing and great debate resulting in a 60% turnout which for a small local election was fantastic. The result was the election of two local councillors who actually live in the area representing a local 'residents' party. It was the first time I took notice of the debate and the first time ever I have not voted Conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I don't see how UKIP could replace the Labour Party. They only had one agenda. The Labour Party was taken from the left to centre-right under Kinnock and Bliar. They will probably split into a left leaning party under Corbyn or similar Trotskyite and a centre party under someone such as Alan Johnson or Hilary Benn. As for the low turnout; Stoke had an abysmal turnout last time too. I didn't say UKIP could replace the Labour Party, I said fill the gap which isn't quite the same thing. While the Labour Party are 'out to lunch' there is a vacuum which UKIP have spectacularly failed to capitalise on. Their agenda should not have ended on the day of the referendum. Had they the vision they could have taken as validation for them to campaign further for the ongoing process. "The real work starts now", type of thing but they fell apart when Farage stood down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 teresa may should call an election, got a feeling she might, it would be a comfortable win. Otherwise she is the p.m that never got voted in, and the by election result couldnt be clearer of how the wind is blowing. Mind you, we don't tend to do that in this country, especially as we had a referendum last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Labour have stopped calling themselves the Labour Party and are now the Labour Movement, they are becoming a protest group of museli eaters and hunt Sabs. knitted Peruvian hats and sandals. They don't want to govern because they can't be bothered, you get the same money in opposition, why work for it by actually having to do something? We need an opposition with some fire in its belly. not these spongers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I don't know what it would actually take for Corbyn to accept that there is a genuine problem. Surrounded by his cronies, he seems isolated from reality. A truly dreadful state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 corbyn's natural territory isn't the despatch box, it's the picket line or the protest march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I don't know what it would actually take for Corbyn to accept that there is a genuine problem. Surrounded by his cronies, he seems isolated from reality. A truly dreadful state of affairs. It would take the mass support they have from my generation (20's-30's) to move from politically vocal to politically intelligent. Right now he has huge grassroots support from younger voters who are in love with the idea of a lefty candidate who is 'a different kind of politician' - unfortunately very few of them are awake to the fact that he's done nothing, said nothing and proposed nothing of any substance. A few more by elections where Labour performs appallingly would help people realise he can't win an election, so his 'different kind of politics' will remain irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 The man is as thick as two short planks - why some cannot see it is one of life's great mysteries. The idiots deserve each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) The man is as thick as two short planks - why some cannot see it is one of life's great mysteries. The idiots deserve each other. people love the idea of something new, something different to the establishment and forget to think whether what is being said is right - if anything is said at all. Corbyn speaks in grand terms - peace, love equality etc. and all these sound great. It's just that not enough people have worked out that he's completely clueless about reality! Edited February 24, 2017 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 I don't know what it would actually take for Corbyn to accept that there is a genuine problem. Surrounded by his cronies, he seems isolated from reality. A truly dreadful state of affairs. I must admit it took me a while to work it out but he's happy with the way things are. He doesn't want to run the country, he just wants to criticise those who do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Chris - agreed. Vince - I believe you are correct - Corbyn is operating in his comfort zone - sniping from the side-lines, without any prospect of his madcap ideas ever being tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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