Albert 888 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Been doing my best to keep my gas combi running. The fan has gone and to replace it wont be cost effective, and I don't want to be playing with the gas side of it. I need a new one, currently it's in the kitchen and I want it out the way in the loft. What are my options. Rough quotes are £2000. It's a detached bungalow built in 1964,cavity wall insulated and loft has ample insulation,double glazed. Living room 16ft x 12ft Kitchen 16ft x 12ft Bedroom 1 & 2 12ftx x 11ft Hallway 12ft x 3ft Bathroom 6ft x 7ft. So 6 radiators. Shower is currently electric. What btu boiler do I need roughly. Been looking at the baxi range around 24kW. How much would it cost me to have the old boiler removed from the kitchen and the new boiler fit in the loft,gas comes in through the loft and the main in on out pipes for the rads run in the loft. I will buy the boiler. Edited March 15, 2017 by Albert 888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 You say you've already had quotes for around £2000, Is that for the work to be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 It's just rough guesstimates of the net. Those prices includes a boiler. I can get the same or similar boiler for around £680. The cheap deals are lesser brand boilers they are £999-£1300. Im just weighing my options up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggy Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Mine cost £2600, two and a half years ago. That was for a large Worcester Bosch. Old boiler removed from the kitchen, new boiler supplied and fitted in an upstairs bedroom. Solid fuel Aga and multi fuel fire that both helped in the hot water department, were disconnected from the system. The Dunsley Neutraliser and cylinder both removed along the the tanks in the loft. New controller and radio thermostat fitted. Excellent job, transformed the system. Great price, very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I had a full bungalow with mixer shower all rads and pipework with a baxi, 8 year ago £2500, it hadn't any cental heating in at all. Just want a price for fitting a new boiler,to the one I'm in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonb Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Been doing my best to keep my gas combi running. The fan has gone and to replace it wont be cost effective, and I don't want to be playing with the gas side of it. I need a new one, currently it's in the kitchen and I want it out the way in the loft. What are my options. Rough quotes are £2000. It's a detached bungalow built in 1964,cavity wall insulated and loft has ample insulation,double glazed. Living room 16ft x 12ft Kitchen 16ft x 12ft Bedroom 1 & 2 12ftx x 11ft Hallway 12ft x 3ft Bathroom 6ft x 7ft. So 6 radiators. Shower is currently electric. What btu boiler do I need roughly. Been looking at the baxi range around 24kW. How much would it cost me to have the old boiler removed from the kitchen and the new boiler fit in the loft,gas comes in through the loft and the main in on out pipes for the rads run in the loft. I will buy the boiler. It is wrong to assume that 6 rooms automatically = 6 radiators. It all depends on the heat loss calculations. The cheapest option is to fit a new combi in situ always assuming it is a like for like installation. Plus the flue considerations my make a loft installation impossible particularly with today's condensing boilers and there has to be access to the point of installation balancing on joists is a no no. Rules say the installer has to have safe path to the site of installation you do not want him falling onto the room below. I would also suggest after the new installation you take out a service contract. Brit Gas schemes take some beating. Also regards buying the boiler many merchants will not supply (correctly in my opinion) a gas appliance to someone who is not 'Gas Safe' registered. although the multiple retailers probably will. With regard to size If 24 kw (81800 btu) has worked stay with that as I said it all depends on heat loss calculations.....good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Loft is boarded,has lights with ladder access. Original flu goes straight up and out the roof,the new one could go straight up or out the wall,boiler dependant. I don't know anything about the heat loss calculations or btu's. When the boiler was working it warmed the water and the house and didn't cost a lot to run. Everything is now electric, so the gas bill will come down and the electric up slightly, I batch cook using the oven. If I'm having a new boiler it will be going in the loft, it's a royal pain being in the kitchen as well as being an eyesore. Edited March 15, 2017 by Albert 888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 As a tradesman myself, I'd just say get a couple of recommended plumbers round to quote up.....nothing worse than being asked for rough costs without seeing jobs. A lot won't be overly keen on you buying the boiler for obvious reasons, but I don't blame you as they do seem to be able to get away with making £1000 in a day when doing straight boiler swaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Make sure for the price, you also flush out the existing pipes and rads. I would imagine a fair chunk of that is for the gas engineer to run a gas pipe up into the loft. In MY house I wouldn't do that, simply because it makes any further inspection, repair, a pain if they have to access the loft to get to it. But thats just me, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Do you have a bath? If so I would go 30kw - but I'm fussy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 The gas comes in through the loft and the flow and return for the rads are in the loft also,I'm going to have it flushed and I will fit new stats,I have already fit a magnaflow. I have a bath but only use it once a month. I've put a request on a tradesmans website, I will see what comes of it. Only thing is if they have to buy the job they mustn't be very busy and that proberbly means not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston72 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 the kw rating has little relevance to your rads its more for the hot water side, as an engineer I wouldn't work for somebody that wants to fit there own TRV's and supply the boiler, consider that putting a 50kg lump of metal up a loft ladder into a roof space , not the easiest or safest of tasks , is the supply in the loft adequate to the boiler going in ? get three prices for the same spec of job, relax and stay out of the way expect to pay 2-2.4k for a decent boiler (baxi doesn't come into that IMHO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 1St quote £1600 with a 29kW worster bosh boiler and put in the loft,power flush etc included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Mine cost £2600, two and a half years ago. That was for a large Worcester Bosch. Old boiler removed from the kitchen, new boiler supplied and fitted in an upstairs bedroom. Solid fuel Aga and multi fuel fire that both helped in the hot water department, were disconnected from the system. The Dunsley Neutraliser and cylinder both removed along the the tanks in the loft. New controller and radio thermostat fitted. Excellent job, transformed the system. Great price, very happy. SNAP, £2,500 same boiler, similar job, tank, cylinder removed, boiler now in tank room, in loft. In my experience (14 years of Combi boilers) I would go for the larger boiler, the hot water output is greatly improved, which is ideal when I revamp the bathroom and install a shower operated off the combi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear-uk Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I had a quote yesterday for a straight swop. 2K for a Boiler only., Boiler 1k, fitting 1k. That was to get rid of a rubbish Valiant and replace with a WB in a Terraced house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston72 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 1St quote £1600 with a 29kW worster bosh boiler and put in the loft,power flush etc included. bite his hand off.............if you trust his work bite his hand off.............if you trust his work are you supplying the boiler or him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 I had a quote yesterday for a straight swop. 2K for a Boiler only., Boiler 1k, fitting 1k. That was to get rid of a rubbish Valiant and replace with a WB in a Terraced house. Ask him how long he expects the job to take, for his 1k labour cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobski Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Mine cost £2600, two and a half years ago. That was for a large Worcester Bosch. Old boiler removed from the kitchen, new boiler supplied and fitted in an upstairs bedroom. Solid fuel Aga and multi fuel fire that both helped in the hot water department, were disconnected from the system. The Dunsley Neutraliser and cylinder both removed along the the tanks in the loft. New controller and radio thermostat fitted. Excellent job, transformed the system. Great price, very happy. we are in the process of getting quotes for supply and moving. Off the top of his head he says over 3k but will do a proper break down over weekend. He is the first we have asked, Moondoggy is the company you used anywhere near louth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del T Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) £1600 . Wow, some people must be desperate for work! We have just done a combi to combi swap this week. Old worcester out new 29cdi in with condensure and comfort rf stat, flush and inhibitor, run new condense pipe etc and that's coming out around £2400. The boiler is £1050 plus vat on its own trade price!. Also worcester do a cheapish boiler and they also do the dogs danglies boiler , the cdi range. Make sure quotes are all for the same boiler. Edited March 18, 2017 by Del T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear-uk Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Ask him how long he expects the job to take, for his 1k labour cost. Yes I know its only a day job. I should do it myself and just get someone to Gas it up. My lads just had British gas do his. He wont tell me how much but a Major job involving scaffolding and converting from 2 boilers to a WB combi. Recons they have an offer on at the mo of £400 off so might be worth a quote if only just to see how far off the mark the other guys are. I am just going to organise a visit myself now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston72 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 BG standard price for a combi swap 3600 even minus 400 they should at least wear a stocking over their heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear-uk Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 BG standard price for a combi swap 3600 even minus 400 they should at least wear a stocking over their heads Booked for the 5th April. Should have some fun telling them to do one. Theres one thing they wont be able to bull**** me over having a Nest or needing xyz for better performance as its only an empty rental place at the mo. Better get some floorboards down incase he disappears and ends up in the Kitchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) I just don't know how a plumber/gas fitter can warrant charging £1000 for a days labour that's the thing, although I'm well aware of training/certification etc etc. You just need to find a plumber that isn't out to rob you for a boiler change (it's the one job they seem to charge silly money for)! God knows how British Gas get away with their prices, I guess it's their name that does it. Edited March 18, 2017 by Wilts#Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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