propercartridges Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 George, if you're making so much money, crack on and keep doing it. Stop shoving your opinions down people's throats. I will not buy your cartridges. I can generally buy cheaper and more convenient. what your 70 yarders using 7.5 shot next joke please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 ? Grapevine with fellow friend reloader up north says you do sell powder and it was priced on your website for £30 per kg before you recently changed your site now you list powder but no price. All very hush hush nudge nudge wink wink. Ao was my go to powder for 28ga but as you say express got greedy and FEs stopped selling it so now using PSB2. Still express are the loser as used to buy their cartridges but not anymore would buy any make but theirs. In days gone by eley were a prolific supplied to the shops of reloading components and it was an accepted part of shooting these days it looks to be less accepted practice for shotgun cartridges which is regrettable. yes you are right i was selling at 30 per kilo but got stopped because of unathorized bottles some body on here photographed the containers and put them on here the powder was 12 a kilo to me then haulage then profit of 9 a kilo then vat but as usual people got upset as mine was cheaper and sent the photo to the firm who asked me to stop selling in unotherized containers so one man put the block on cheap powder any way if you are loading only 28 gauge shotgun what i think you will struggle to find new at less than 240 per 1000 there is plenty of room and profit or money saving to buy powder or is it that magic word of been greedy to even yourself so look into yourself and see if you can buy what you really want pay the few bob more and still be cheaper than the shops or is greed your middle name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 please let it be observed that i only started this post to put it about that in the present times cheap cartridges cannot be made my only advise is to go and buy any old or existing stock at low prices that some of you quote on here as it wont be possible much longer cheers george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 what your 70 yarders using 7.5 shot next joke please Anyone willing to translate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Anyone willing to translate? I think it's another one of his brilliant business tactics. Personally i won't buy cartridges from him as i believe he comes across like a right ***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Well as usual, George's threads generate some interesting comments, he is only trying to gain a little insight in to what the majority of shooters want and then to supply them. As for powder, he's answerd to that one, perhaps if you offered to turn up at the factory with the proscribed correct type of container, George might decant some for you. I like the shells, I have used them to good effect for a while now, I like their consistency and the fair price. Keep up the good work George. Edited March 19, 2017 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Well as usual, George's threads generate some interesting comments, he is only trying to gain a little insight in to what the majority of shooters want and then to supply them. As for powder, he's answerd to that one, perhaps if you offered to turn up at the factory with the proscribed correct type of container, George might decant some for you. I like the shells, I have used them to good effect for a while now, I like their consistency and the fair price. Keep up the good work George. sorry cannot decant the powder job to end users has ended cheers george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 Fiocchi PL28 28g 7 (UK 6.5) are about £200 per 1000, more at Just Cartridges. I pay £58 a slab for the PL32 32g 5 or 6 in Yorkshire. They are my go to pigeon and crow cartridge. That's after all the recent price rises, they are great cartridges and a bargain compared to most 29/30g pigeon loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 George needs to run the factory as a business not a toy ,he spends too much time pigeon shooting and not enough time working he has very little core products ,i.e. No standard clay cartridge ,if the machine can produce 12000 per hour and you can get £10 per 1000 that's £1920 pound in a 16 hour day x that by 5 days £9600 per week .employ 2 staff (total cost £1000 including national insurance and holiday pay ) the job is sorted .Now change that to £20 a 1000 and it's £869600 per year .george employ a good sales man £50000 per year you still have £819600 to play with I don't think pigeon watch is the place to find a business advisor Bargains are still out there just had 6000 RC2 @ under £160 per 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 George needs to run the factory as a business not a toy ,he spends too much time pigeon shooting and not enough time working he has very little core products ,i.e. No standard clay cartridge ,if the machine can produce 12000 per hour and you can get £10 per 1000 that's £1920 pound in a 16 hour day x that by 5 days £9600 per week .employ 2 staff (total cost £1000 including national insurance and holiday pay ) the job is sorted .Now change that to £20 a 1000 and it's £869600 per year .george employ a good sales man £50000 per year you still have £819600 to play with I don't think pigeon watch is the place to find a business advisor Bargains are still out there just had 6000 RC2 @ under £160 per 1000 now you are talking, i`ve a ton of experience with those RC2 shells 24g #9. those are the shells i try and emulate. they are brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Bargains are everywhere: I got Clever Mirage 1oz plastic 2.4mm for £120. Joker 32g 5.5 under £190/1000 Steel 32g 4 for £35/ slab etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Dodeer Where are you getting these from they are v good prices Donkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Various shops near me in south England. I always call and see what they want get rid of and then pay over the phone and collect when passing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Steel 32 gram £35 for 250? That is ridiculously cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Steel 32 gram £35 for 250? That is ridiculously cheap! Gamebore Super Steel #4's. I bought the lot the shop was trying to sell off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I can still get my usual Fiocchi TTone for just over £160 a thousand. Got some F3 28 gram 6 for £180 per thousand. Plenty good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted April 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Bargains are everywhere: I got Clever Mirage 1oz plastic 2.4mm for £120. Joker 32g 5.5 under £190/1000 Steel 32g 4 for £35/ slab etc are the mirage in abundance at 120 go and buy all you can afford with vat theres about 80 pounds worth of lead in them so full carts from a shop at 100 plus vat including shops profit well i dont know what to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Fiocchi PL28 28g 7 (UK 6.5) are about £200 per 1000, more at Just Cartridges. I pay £58 a slab for the PL32 32g 5 or 6 in Yorkshire. They are my go to pigeon and crow cartridge. That's after all the recent price rises, they are great cartridges and a bargain compared to most 29/30g pigeon loads. Can i ask where in Yorkshire you buy Fiocchii from please. I agree they are great but struggle to get them in East yorks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 are the mirage in abundance at 120 go and buy all you can afford with vat theres about 80 pounds worth of lead in them so full carts from a shop at 100 plus vat including shops profit well i dont know what to say This is why they are cheap; because are old stock and from makers they don't stock anymore. I just buy the cheap ones when I see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Can i ask where in Yorkshire you buy Fiocchii from please. I agree they are great but struggle to get them in East yorks now. The only two I know are Aaron Wheeler Gunsmiths in Brighouse, just off the M62 who always has really good prices or the North of England Clay Target Centre at Rufforth near York. They only generally keep the budget clay loads in stock but will order in whatever Fiocchi's you like. I usually go there every couple of months and order a few slabs while I'm there. Both of these are about 20 miles away so I just have to get them if I'm passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Also, both of these places have said Fiocchi have been struggling with demand as they haven't put their prices up as much as the others and they have always been one of the cheapest. They only had half their orders delivered last time and I had to wait a couple of weeks for more to arrive. I thought one was telling me fibs but the other confirmed the same happened to them. Edited April 5, 2017 by ChrisPCarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Also, both of these places have said Fiocchi have been struggling with demand as they haven't put their prices up as much as the others and they have always been one of the cheapest. They only had half their orders delivered last time and I had to wait a couple of weeks for more to arrive. I thought one was telling me fibs but the other confirmed the same happened to them. Thanks for the info Chris, most helpful. I had noticed looking online that Fiocchi prices had not gone up, i wonder how long that will last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocette Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Fiocchi Sporting Pigeon,,32g fibre were £215 for 1000 last week at Wheelers. He mentioned the possibility of slight shortages/delays but managed to get my 1000. First class shop !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Fiocchi Sporting Pigeon,,32g fibre were £215 for 1000 last week at Wheelers. He mentioned the possibility of slight shortages/delays but managed to get my 1000. First class shop !! When I went a couple of weeks ago he only had a few boxes left and all the ones in the shop were what people had ordered so he had no fiocchi stuff available. He usually has them piled high. I left with a slab of 20 gauge as he didn't have my usual 12 gauge stuff in. He said they turned up late and only gave him half what he'd asked for in everything. Same at Rufforth and they were 2 or 3 weeks before they got delivered. Luckily I still had a few left at home or I'd have had to buy more expensive stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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