ditchman Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 alright all you politicos must know ...so i thought i would ask you.... what is this fat brainless muppet up to he aint going to invade china if he goes for sowf korea..everyone will join in if he goes for thialand or whatever them other countries near him are ..everyone will join in is he daft enouff to rocket attack USA......to what end...if he does surely he must know the USA will turn north Korea into a "glass carpark" is he nuts enuff to start a war...or is his intention to gain a country thro threatening it...or trying to frighten it what is his game...or is it just bluff...to show he is the big man to "his" people.... i dont know wether i am concerned about this or amused..... anyone in the know....?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 He's the Asian version of Sturgeon = totally believes in their own hype! Dangerous, borderline insane, UmpaLumpa lookalike. The Korean bloke's a wrong 'un too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I listened to a radio 4 programme interviewing the NK ambassador who defected. He was saying that Kim WILL attack the US once they have capability. He has serious delusions of grandeur. Problem is that China have a nuclear policy only slightly less aggressive than the UK, and ours is the scariest in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I listened to a radio 4 programme interviewing the NK ambassador who defected. He was saying that Kim WILL attack the US once they have capability. He has serious delusions of grandeur. Problem is that China have a nuclear policy only slightly less aggressive than the UK, and ours is the scariest in the world. Do we in all honesty think he is daft enough to nuke USA....surely he must have a wit of understanding that he will be nuked out of existence if he does..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Dangerous, borderline insane, UmpaLumpa lookalike. The Korean bloke's a wrong 'un too! Genuine lol :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Do we in all honesty think he is daft enough to nuke USA....surely he must have a wit of understanding that he will be nuked out of existence if he does..... Ah. Never underestimate the mentality or mindset of such characters. Being wiped out by the evil empire of the USA would be vindication in his eyes & those of his die hard supporters. The cult of personality is a very dangerous one....see Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Educating Archie, etc. for other examples. Edited March 19, 2017 by saddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Do we in all honesty think he is daft enough to nuke USA....surely he must have a wit of understanding that he will be nuked out of existence if he does..... The USA would not have the nuts to even try it. North K might not quite have the capabilities to nuke USA itself. But there best buddy's ( China) could. The USA know all to well they have to watch there step very carefully as they also know all to well it will be all out war period ! USA is also fully aware north k could quite happily take out there bases and navy and pretty much all American interests in that part of the world at the drop of a hat. NK has got some pretty good kit and ground force there not going to be a push over that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I think china wants us to do their dirty work................china want NK back in the fold....i think they speak with forked tongue......war cost money....trade makes more.....let europe bomb NK into submission...china goes in with aid relief and takes over............... am i cynical or what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 NK has got some pretty good kit and ground force there not going to be a push over that's for sure. Manpower no argument but they're dwarfed in every other category of force. N. Korea vs USA LAND SYSTEMS - Tank value includes Main Battle Tanks, light tanks and tank destroyers, either wheeled or tracked. AFV value includes Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) and Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs). NK Tanks: 4,200 Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 4,100 Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 2,250 Towed-Artillery: 4,300 Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 2,400 USA Tanks: 8,848 Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 41,062 Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 1,934 Towed-Artillery: 1,299 Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 1,331 AIR POWER - Includes both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft from all branches of service. NK Total Aircraft: 944 Fighters/Interceptors: 458 Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 572 Transport Aircraft: 100 Trainer Aircraft: 169 Helicopters: 202 USA Total Aircraft: 13,444 Fighters/Interceptors: 2,308 Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 2,785 Transport Aircraft: 5,739 Trainer Aircraft: 2,771 Helicopters: 6,084 Attack Helicopters: 957 NAVAL POWER - Aircraft Carrier value includes dedicated "helicopter carrier" vessels. Total naval strength includes all known auxiliaries as well. NK Total Naval Strength: 967 Aircraft Carriers: 0 Frigates: 3 Destroyers: 0 Corvettes: 2 Submarines: 70 Coastal Defense Craft: 211 Mine Warfare: 23 Attack Helicopters: 20 USA Total Naval Strength: 415 Aircraft Carriers: 19 Frigates: 6 Destroyers: 62 Corvettes: 0 Submarines: 75 Coastal Defense Craft: 13 Mine Warfare: 11 NK Defense Budget: $7,500,000,000 Active Frontline Personnel: 700,000 Active Reserve Personnel: 4,500,000 USA Defense Budget: $581,000,000,000 Active Frontline Personnel: 1,400,000 Active Reserve Personnel: 1,100,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 From what I read on the subject Kim himself may not be the real power. He is simply manipulated by a group of 'Generals' always standing at his side. Would he attack the US mainland? Personally I do not believe so. All of the huffing and puffing is to try and regain control of the South which will never happen. The Chinese are into world trade so deeply these days they might rumble and grumble but they are clever people and I do not believe they will ruin their country by supporting this rogue state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Manpower no argument but they're dwarfed in every other category of force. N. Korea vs USA LAND SYSTEMS - Tank value includes Main Battle Tanks, light tanks and tank destroyers, either wheeled or tracked. AFV value includes Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) and Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs). NK Tanks: 4,200 Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 4,100 Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 2,250 Towed-Artillery: 4,300 Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 2,400 USA Tanks: 8,848 Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 41,062 Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 1,934 Towed-Artillery: 1,299 Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 1,331 AIR POWER - Includes both fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft from all branches of service. NK Total Aircraft: 944 Fighters/Interceptors: 458 Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 572 Transport Aircraft: 100 Trainer Aircraft: 169 Helicopters: 202 USA Total Aircraft: 13,444 Fighters/Interceptors: 2,308 Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 2,785 Transport Aircraft: 5,739 Trainer Aircraft: 2,771 Helicopters: 6,084 Attack Helicopters: 957 NAVAL POWER - Aircraft Carrier value includes dedicated "helicopter carrier" vessels. Total naval strength includes all known auxiliaries as well. NK Total Naval Strength: 967 Aircraft Carriers: 0 Frigates: 3 Destroyers: 0 Corvettes: 2 Submarines: 70 Coastal Defense Craft: 211 Mine Warfare: 23 Attack Helicopters: 20 USA Total Naval Strength: 415 Aircraft Carriers: 19 Frigates: 6 Destroyers: 62 Corvettes: 0 Submarines: 75 Coastal Defense Craft: 13 Mine Warfare: 11 NK Defense Budget: $7,500,000,000 Active Frontline Personnel: 700,000 Active Reserve Personnel: 4,500,000 USA Defense Budget: $581,000,000,000 Active Frontline Personnel: 1,400,000 Active Reserve Personnel: 1,100,000 Yes of course the USA has more might. A hell of a lot more. Everyone one on the planet knows that !!!! But ain't gonna be no afganistan were they are going to be able to spend 3 bloody months amassing there forces. As soon as the USA tried to move in it would ALL kick off and China will join in as well Not because of the friendship between China and N. Korea, nor the necesity of defense against the US, but this: Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty The Treaty was signed on July 11, 1961 between North Korea and the People's Republic of China. It generally promoted peaceful cooperation in the areas of culture, economics, technology and other social benefits between the two nations. The treaty is in effect and automatically renews every 20 years. It has renewed in 1981 and 2001. The most recent renewal will remain in effect until the year 2021. Specifically, Article 2 of the treaty declares the two nations guarantee to adopt immediately all necessary measures to oppose any country or coalition of countries that might attack either nation: Which means, any attacks toward North Korea will leave China no choice but offering any support to its ally, including military support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 When I saw thread title I was hoping it was he'd died. Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Just look at the "cut of his jib" the haircut, the way he dresses......he's a despotic, delusionary schizophrenic, a Walter Mitty character.....dangerously unstable.....it'll end in tears! Oh! And I missed out Megalomaniac! Edited March 19, 2017 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 When I saw thread title I was hoping it was he'd died. Never mind. Hahah I'm glad I'm not the only one 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yeah I know Stevo, just thought the figures made interesting reading. I must confess I didn't know about that treaty though. Anyways . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just look at the "cut of his jib" the haircut, the way he dresses...! Aye. How dare Kim Jong Dong copy Zapp's fashion sense & have his personal barber flown out every couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yeah I know Stevo, just thought the figures made interesting reading. I must confess I didn't know about that treaty though. Anyways . . . I know what you mean. But I never knew this though Latest figures show NK to over 1.2 million troops and about another 7 million in reserve. They have the forth largest army in the world. With China having the largest. Blimey !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Assuming all th NK kit works as well. A lot of it is ancient, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Assuming all th NK kit works as well. A lot of it is ancient, I'd give a T34-76 a good home if he's got any spare... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Assuming all th NK kit works as well. A lot of it is ancient, I think I would be more cornered with the 5000 tons of chemical weapons and the 16 nukes that I have just been reading about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I know what you mean. But I never knew this though Latest figures show NK to over 1.2 million troops and about another 7 million in reserve. They have the forth largest army in the world. With China having the largest. Blimey !! I've seen a few different figures, but mainly from last year. The 4 largest armies are China,USA,India and N. Korea with China reckoned to have over 2 million troops, almost as many as the USA and India combined! The telling figures though are in nuclear capability. China has approx 290 nuclear weapons, N. Korea has less than 10. The USA has approximately . . . drumroll . . . wait for it . . . 5100! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Do we in all honesty think he is daft enough to nuke USA....surely he must have a wit of understanding that he will be nuked out of existence if he does..... I've not read the other posts, but his ex ambassador thinks he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I've seen a few different figures, but mainly from last year. The 4 largest armies are China,USA,India and N. Korea with China reckoned to have over 2 million troops, almost as many as the USA and India combined! The telling figures though are in nuclear capability. China has approx 290 nuclear weapons, N. Korea has less than 10. The USA has approximately . . . drumroll . . . wait for it . . . 5100! It's doesn't matter, 290 will do a nice job on the US, the response can't kill more than once. China have a very aggressive nuclear stance. If NK test their new missile fuel system and it works, the US will strike. China will do nothing, they don't want this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 China will do nothing, they don't want this. I wouldn't want to bet good money on it. A little thing like the treaty between. China and NK may suggest different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 China will do nothing, they don't want this. I wouldn't want to bet good money on it. A little thing like the treaty between. China and NK may suggest different I would, china just don't want an exodus over their border, they have no military interest. But as I've said China are as likely to use nuclear weapons as the uk are, the US need to tread careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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