Celebrities and MPs at tragedies

[Gordon R]

Corbyn was allegedly overcome with grief at the latest incident. I ask again if he comforted victims of the IRA or does he try to milk a tragedy for his own purpose?

[Penelope]

Cynical pandering for personal gain.

 

Corbyn was allegedly overcome with grief at the latest incident. I ask again if he comforted victims of the IRA or does he try to milk a tragedy for his own purpose?

[Mice!]

He had nothing to gain then, now he wants tv and social media time, seen by the masses to be the caring leader in waiting(shudder)!!

[Flashman]

From today's Times:

 

When a terrible catastrophe happens which is bound to provoke enormous public anger the immediate response of all in authority should be, above all, to calm people down.

 

The situation can otherwise spiral dangerously out of control into disorder and violence. Further inciting that anger is therefore the height of political irresponsibility or worse. Yet that is precisely what has been happening in the aftermath of the inferno that consumed Grenfell Tower.

 

Left-wing agitators are planning a “day of rage” tomorrow in protest at the government’s austerity policies, which they say caused the tragedy. The protest is being led by the Movement for Justice By Any Means Necessary, whose Facebook page declares: “We must escalate our actions to take down this rotten government, which has lost all authority to govern.”

 

There are all-too plausible concerns that this may turn into a riot. Last Friday, relatives and friends of those feared dead in the Grenfell fire tried to storm Kensington town hall. A man on a loudspeaker told the crowd that the fire was “corporate genocide”. Journalists were attacked. A volunteer helping the fire victims was beaten up after being mistaken for the chief executive of the management company responsible for the tower.

 

The anger over this dreadful tragedy is very understandable. Theresa May’s response, fairly or unfairly, was deemed hesitant and uncaring. Assistance being offered to those who lost everything in the fire has descended into chaos. Although what caused this catastrophe has not yet been established, enough is known to perceive a disturbing level of official incompetence or negligence.

 

As a result, it seems that successive administrations put short-term interests above long-term safety. To make matters worse, the residents’ repeated concerns about fire safety were ignored. It’s hard to avoid concluding that their voices went unheard because they were poor and marginalised.

 

Yet to blame the wicked Tories or the evil rich for all this, as the protesters are doing, is a grotesque distortion of reality. In 2000, Tony Blair’s government launched the decent homes programme, a huge scheme to improve social housing around the country by making it more environmentally friendly and pleasing to the eye.

 

According to Hannah Lucinda Smith, a Times journalist who worked on a report about fire safety in 2010 for the BBC, billions of pounds of public funds were handed to contractors to carry out the upgrades. These were mostly in deprived areas, many of which were under Labour control. In almost all cases, the drab concrete was wrapped in brightly coloured cladding — which was also highly flammable. Just as in Grenfell Tower.

 

In other words, from right to left the political establishment over the years connived at this appalling laxity in elementary fire-safety precautions. Yet the fire is being exploited in a sectarian and cynical way to fuel public anger and provoke disorder. Those being unjustly damned for causing the disaster are the Tory government and the rich. In other words, it’s class war.

 

The protests are being fomented by professional agitators: you only have to look at the quality of the Socialist Worker posters reading “Tories have blood on their hands” to realise these are not spontaneous eruptions of public anger. The Grenfell tragedy is being appropriated as part of a broader and more sinister political strategy. On Saturday there were further protests across the UK with activists waving placards saying “Defy Tory rule”.

 

What’s happening is an attempt to stir insurrection on the streets against the democratically elected Westminster government. Labour’s shadow chancellor John McDonnell has called for a million people to take to the streets on Saturday to force Theresa May from power.

 

At a Liverpool conference on March 10, 2012, McDonnell said there were three ways to change society. The first was through the ballot box; the second via industrial action. “The third is basically insurrection, but we now call it direct action . . . we have an elected dictatorship, so I think we have a democratic right to use whatever means to bring this government down. The real fight now is in our communities, it’s on the picket lines, it’s in the streets.”

 

Jeremy Corbyn himself wrote in these pages shortly before being elected leader in 2015: “The Tories should be in no doubt: we will use the surge in excitement about progressive politics to pursue them at every turn and focus our energies on a massive growth in campaigning politics.”

 

It’s clear that the hard left thinks it now has the chance to mount a coup. Aided and abetted by large sections of the media, which have presented Corbyn’s election defeat as a victory, they have set out to foment insurrection on the streets in order to overturn the result.

 

This strategy was plotted before the Grenfell fire. Now it is enabling these agitators to incite hatred and violence by claiming that the Tories didn’t just steal the election but have committed murder.

 

Many naive Labour voters believe Jeremy Corbyn is a “nice man”. The reality is frighteningly different. A fearsome tragedy is being cynically politicised. Even before all the dead of Grenfell tower have been retrieved and buried, Labour is unleashing mob rule in their name. Compassion is being hijacked and weaponised in what is nothing short of a planned uprising against democracy itself.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Flashman

[Penelope]

The frightening reality.

 

Thank you for posting.

 

From today's Times:

 

When a terrible catastrophe happens which is bound to provoke enormous public anger the immediate response of all in authority should be, above all, to calm people down.

 

The situation can otherwise spiral dangerously out of control into disorder and violence. Further inciting that anger is therefore the height of political irresponsibility or worse. Yet that is precisely what has been happening in the aftermath of the inferno that consumed Grenfell Tower.

 

Left-wing agitators are planning a “day of rage” tomorrow in protest at the government’s austerity policies, which they say caused the tragedy. The protest is being led by the Movement for Justice By Any Means Necessary, whose Facebook page declares: “We must escalate our actions to take down this rotten government, which has lost all authority to govern.”

 

There are all-too plausible concerns that this may turn into a riot. Last Friday, relatives and friends of those feared dead in the Grenfell fire tried to storm Kensington town hall. A man on a loudspeaker told the crowd that the fire was “corporate genocide”. Journalists were attacked. A volunteer helping the fire victims was beaten up after being mistaken for the chief executive of the management company responsible for the tower.

 

The anger over this dreadful tragedy is very understandable. Theresa May’s response, fairly or unfairly, was deemed hesitant and uncaring. Assistance being offered to those who lost everything in the fire has descended into chaos. Although what caused this catastrophe has not yet been established, enough is known to perceive a disturbing level of official incompetence or negligence.

 

As a result, it seems that successive administrations put short-term interests above long-term safety. To make matters worse, the residents’ repeated concerns about fire safety were ignored. It’s hard to avoid concluding that their voices went unheard because they were poor and marginalised.

 

Yet to blame the wicked Tories or the evil rich for all this, as the protesters are doing, is a grotesque distortion of reality. In 2000, Tony Blair’s government launched the decent homes programme, a huge scheme to improve social housing around the country by making it more environmentally friendly and pleasing to the eye.

 

According to Hannah Lucinda Smith, a Times journalist who worked on a report about fire safety in 2010 for the BBC, billions of pounds of public funds were handed to contractors to carry out the upgrades. These were mostly in deprived areas, many of which were under Labour control. In almost all cases, the drab concrete was wrapped in brightly coloured cladding — which was also highly flammable. Just as in Grenfell Tower.

 

In other words, from right to left the political establishment over the years connived at this appalling laxity in elementary fire-safety precautions. Yet the fire is being exploited in a sectarian and cynical way to fuel public anger and provoke disorder. Those being unjustly damned for causing the disaster are the Tory government and the rich. In other words, it’s class war.

 

The protests are being fomented by professional agitators: you only have to look at the quality of the Socialist Worker posters reading “Tories have blood on their hands” to realise these are not spontaneous eruptions of public anger. The Grenfell tragedy is being appropriated as part of a broader and more sinister political strategy. On Saturday there were further protests across the UK with activists waving placards saying “Defy Tory rule”.

 

What’s happening is an attempt to stir insurrection on the streets against the democratically elected Westminster government. Labour’s shadow chancellor John McDonnell has called for a million people to take to the streets on Saturday to force Theresa May from power.

 

At a Liverpool conference on March 10, 2012, McDonnell said there were three ways to change society. The first was through the ballot box; the second via industrial action. “The third is basically insurrection, but we now call it direct action . . . we have an elected dictatorship, so I think we have a democratic right to use whatever means to bring this government down. The real fight now is in our communities, it’s on the picket lines, it’s in the streets.”

 

Jeremy Corbyn himself wrote in these pages shortly before being elected leader in 2015: “The Tories should be in no doubt: we will use the surge in excitement about progressive politics to pursue them at every turn and focus our energies on a massive growth in campaigning politics.”

 

It’s clear that the hard left thinks it now has the chance to mount a coup. Aided and abetted by large sections of the media, which have presented Corbyn’s election defeat as a victory, they have set out to foment insurrection on the streets in order to overturn the result.

 

This strategy was plotted before the Grenfell fire. Now it is enabling these agitators to incite hatred and violence by claiming that the Tories didn’t just steal the election but have committed murder.

 

Many naive Labour voters believe Jeremy Corbyn is a “nice man”. The reality is frighteningly different. A fearsome tragedy is being cynically politicised. Even before all the dead of Grenfell tower have been retrieved and buried, Labour is unleashing mob rule in their name. Compassion is being hijacked and weaponised in what is nothing short of a planned uprising against democracy itself.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Penelope

[TIGHTCHOKE]

One would hope enough people might realise what is going on but I think I am more likely to see pigs fly!

[yod dropper]

Flashman, nice to see that there is somebody else who is aware of what's going on.

[Geo]

Having been involved in tendering for various social housing refurbishment contracts over the years, many in London, I can confirm that the design and construction of any building is heavily regulated , and suitable materials have to be specified with appropriate certificates which prove that they have been tested and approved for use in various situations .

 

It is not just a case of doing it on the cheap ,although there are often issues with budgets and more economical alternatives sometimes need to be found, they should still be capable of performing to minimum standards for fire , acoustics ,weatherproofing etc .

 

There is a chain of responsibility from the Architect all the way through to the CEO of the building contractor that carried out the work to make sure that the work can be carried out safely ,and that the finished building meets current building regs.

 

If ,as in this case ,there is a suspicion that this hasn't happened then a criminal investigation will be launched .This will bring those responsible to book , as the whole process of design and construction will have been documented and recorded ,and ultimately it is possible that someone may be imprisoned for corporate manslaughter.

 

The hysteria being whipped up by the left wing will do nothing to help with this process or the poor families of those that perished , blaming Theresa May or saying that it happened due to a cost cutting exercise is not true, it look more likely that there may have been negligence somewhere along the line ,which if it exists will come to the surface in due course, we need to give the investigators time to let this happen.

[Flashman]

I think a good many - in and out of politics - understand what's happening with Momentum, the hard-Left unions, etc. It's the worst sort of rabble-rousing and politics of envy.

 

However, I don't think there's a plan to address the tactics of endless lies. Mainstream politicians at least pretend there's a shred of truth in their statements - Corbyn and the rest favour, "if you're going to tell a lie, make it a big one."

[39TDS]

I don't think there is a plan to address it and I do think the BBC are promoting it as much as they can. It concerns me the way things are going.

[Mice!]

Yesterdays daily express letters page, someone says the licence payer is being failed by biased anti government attitude and there licence funding should be withdrawn.

 

That would give the BBC a good kicking wouldn't it

[Vince Green]

Well the day of rage turned out to be the day of nothing because nobody turned up

[39TDS]

Yesterdays daily express letters page, someone says the licence payer is being failed by biased anti government attitude and there licence funding should be withdrawn.

 

That would give the BBC a good kicking wouldn't it

I am not one for doing such things as I am of the thinking that for society to work rules must be obeyed but I am seriously thinking I will stop paying my fee.

[Mice!]

I can just picture May making the announcement, she would probably crack a rare smile , then the accidental mic still on recording " see how they like that the duckers" ( spelt with a Capital F)