Young guns Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Does anyone know the speed of eley hi flyers as on just cartridges they say they are 1400 but on eley hawk website they say they are 1246 . Thanks in advance if anyone knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 I'd go with Eley, but it doesn't really make a difference which as there'll be little difference down-range where it matters. You'd be far better off making sure that the gun shoots the necessary pattern density at your predetermined maximum range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 I have always thought that the data on JC was a) somewhat optimistic and b) not necessarily up-to-date. That's hardly surprising given the number of lines they stock, but I'd always trust the manufacturers numbers over JC, with the caveat that manufacturers often overestimate how fast their cartridges are. All that said, in the case of the Hi Flyers, I'd expect the 1246fps number to be about correct, ironically enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Speed doesn't kill, pattern consistency does! 29 minutes ago, neutron619 said: I have always thought that the data on JC was a) somewhat optimistic and b) not necessarily up-to-date. That's hardly surprising given the number of lines they stock, but I'd always trust the manufacturers numbers over JC, with the caveat that manufacturers often overestimate how fast their cartridges are. All that said, in the case of the Hi Flyers, I'd expect the 1246fps number to be about correct, ironically enough. I am afraid that I would not regard either JC or the manufacturers figures to be at all reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Hmmm.... JC, higher speeds = higher prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Ttfjlc said: Hmmm.... JC, higher speeds = higher prices? What, a selling tactic? Surely not! Anyway - it's not very bright is it? Inflate everything by 200fps and the expensive ones look just as expensive, but only as fast as all the rest anyway. In other news, someone influential heard about my solid gold non-tox load earlier and promised me a 3000fps steel cartridge provided I don't manufacture any of the shiny kind myself. The question is, do I take him at his word or add another gram of TNT to get 4000fps out of mine... Edited November 27, 2017 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Wow, that would be a hell of a blown pattern! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Wow, that would be a hell of a blown pattern! Hell of a blown gun. With that in mind, and due to the recent lack of success with PETN, I'm thinking of working back to one of the old classics: RDX.I reckon 23 grains of that under an ounce-and-a-quarter of lead #6 with a fibre wad should get things moving at about 8750 m/s, which I think converts to about 28,700fps... Any takers? If that doesn't prove popular, I'm considering uranium for both propellant (gas expansion caused due to superheating of the air during fissioning) and shot charge (for penetration, you understand - gotta blow holes right through...)... I gotta get me one of those 600-yard geese somehow... Edited November 27, 2017 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Professor, I look forward to hearing your next test, I am only about 50 miles from you so should hear it if the wind is blowing in a favourable direction! If you are considering a heavy charge of large pellets I can recommend Torpex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) What about using depleted uranium shot plenty heavy enough for long range energy retention, in fact it might make its own energy why limit yourself to the close range shots of 600 yards go for the 1000 yard goose but only aim for the head. Mid go for rocket fuel instead of powder charge and a small booster to 500 yards imagine the mischief and loads the pigeon watch crowd would get up to if let loose with any military components. Like kids in a sweet shop Edited November 27, 2017 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, figgy said: What about using depleted uranium shot plenty heavy enough for long range energy retention, in fact it might make its own energy why limit yourself to the close range shots of 600 yards go for the 1000 yard goose but only aim for the head. Mid go for rocket fuel instead of powder charge and a small booster to 500 yards imagine the mischief and loads the pigeon watch crowd would get up to if let loose with any military components. Like kids in a sweet shop I reckon to get the uk shooter going, really need to step up to a railgun using du rounds at mach 5 (5600 ft/sec) to give that instant kill feeling for those close up shots under 1000 yards but to give a bit of stopping power. Personally, a nice 100kw pulse laser (giving that cooked in the air approach) might be the next step forward.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stonepark said: Personally, a nice 100kw pulse laser (giving that cooked in the air approach) might be the next step forward.... I like it. Muzzle velocity of 983,319,262fps, give or take and a choke motty would be proud of: bore size = 0.729", muzzle (aperture) = 0.025" for a constriction of 0.704". According to the standard nomenclature, I make that "extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra full". It would probably be fine with steel, if the laser doesn't work out. 1000 yard goose, here I come. Edited November 27, 2017 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, neutron619 said: 1000 yard goose, here I come. Lynching by the Pigeon Watch members here you come, if you get 12 bores added to .50 Calibres as anti material weapons in the Home Office consultation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 10 hours ago, neutron619 said: I like it. Muzzle velocity of 983,319,262fps, give or take and a choke motty would be proud of: bore size = 0.729", muzzle (aperture) = 0.025" for a constriction of 0.704". According to the standard nomenclature, I make that "extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra full". It would probably be fine with steel, if the laser doesn't work out. 1000 yard goose, here I come. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 10 hours ago, neutron619 said: I like it. Muzzle velocity of 983,319,262fps, give or take and a choke motty would be proud of: bore size = 0.729", muzzle (aperture) = 0.025" for a constriction of 0.704". According to the standard nomenclature, I make that "extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra full". It would probably be fine with steel, if the laser doesn't work out. 1000 yard goose, here I come. No doubt someone will want it multi choked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 14 hours ago, TriBsa said: Lynching by the Pigeon Watch members here you come, if you get 12 bores added to .50 Calibres as anti material weapons in the Home Office consultation. What, even a 12 bore death star super laser? It's barely a shotgun. I'd sooner have expected a lynching from the wildfowling lot for suggesting going even an inch over 60 yards with what's obviously a perfectly good means of killing, plucking, skinning and cooking them at far greater distances. And anyway, I know the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 prohibits feeding them bread soaked with Scotch and all sorts of other more or mostly less humane ways of killing them, but does it prohibit the use of lasers? Let me just type that out again in full: nine-hundred-and-eighty-three-million-feet-per-second. Ha. What a cracker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Quote I like it. Muzzle velocity of 983,319,262fps, give or take and a choke motty would be proud of: bore size = 0.729", muzzle (aperture) = 0.025" for a constriction of 0.704". According to the standard nomenclature, I make that "extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra extra full". It would probably be fine with steel, if the laser doesn't work out. 1000 yard goose, here I come. Beware of making such posts. The Terrachoke fanatic will appear and say that with Terrachokes you only need 3/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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