Young guns Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 I have been looking on just cartridges at eley hi flyer for prices and that but the velocity of them on there is 1400 but on eley hawk proper website they say they are 1246 fps .. I take it I should go with what eley hawk say. But why would just cartridges up the velocity that is not the true velocity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Because they are all guessing! You seem obsessed with the stated speed of cartridges and have asked this question before! Pick a cheap cartridge that you can get on a regular basis and stick to it, practice and learn to shoot. Edited December 17, 2017 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 The difference in real terms of a load travelling at 1246fps versus one at 1400fps is very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) Learn to put it in the middle of the pattern and most commercial cartridges today will do the job. Speed is irrelevant in my view ...maybe Trap shooting, but there agin if it ain't in the pattern ......................... If your worried about price and even speed then learn to reload your own, then you know what you have, that is if you put them through a chrony. I am led to believe Just Cartridges produce a quality product, unfortunately to date he doesn't do a 410 shell. Edited December 17, 2017 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Young Guns, you would do well to read some of the posts throughout this forum which have discussed fast vs slow speeds, shot size and ballistics of a round pellet, their is much to learn from doing so. As others have said and is good advice do not get hung up on speed at the killing distance 30, 40yards the difference is insignificant. if my memory is correct just cartridges list muzzle velocity and I expect eley are listing observed velocity. rb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) The advertised speed is so inconsistent it’s not worth considering. If I send 10 shells to be tested, and I get ten different results back, I or any manufacturer can advertise the average as I see fit. Put a cartridge that’s been out in the garage, cold or damp across a chronograph vs. one of the same brand that’s been kept in warm and dry conditions, then you’ll see a variance but not until you’re at a very high standard of shooting. There was a chap on here who went to great lengths to test dozens maybe hundreds of shells against their advertised speed, long story short, don’t believe what you read.... Speed varies so much shell to shell, even batch to batch forget it and just pick a shell that is regularly stocked by your local shop that is the load/shot size you want. Shooting is a very simple sport that’s very easily complicated. Until you’re consistently posting the same scores or ratios of shots to kills, don’t look at your kit for marginal improvements, focus on technique and practise. Enjoy! Edited December 17, 2017 by wj939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, motty said: The difference in real terms of a load travelling at 1246fps versus one at 1400fps is very small. I'd say it's even less than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Probably less than 5 inches at 40 yards. Really not worth worrying about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Well all else being equal . If you drive the shot faster you potentially damage more of the lead in the shot Column at the rear and sides against the barrel and against the wad ..meaning these pellets will be deformed more and fly slower and wider than the intended mark . Reducing the over all speed and accuracy potential of the cartridge . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Difference is 154fps , so that’s 105 mph at muzzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 It's generally accepted that slower speeds pattern better and hit harder than fast carts . Just now, stevo said: Difference is 154fps , so that’s 105 mph at muzzle And at 30 yds that would equate to around 30 fps faster IF they aren't more deformed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Well I may have been shooting for more years than I care to remember,but I can still remember the excitement of my first cock day !!! And just like you spent ages deciding what 'special' cartridge I would take on that day.I am afraid it is too long ago to remember what I chose.Ask as many questions as you like,we were all in your shoes once and you are the future of our sport. I get on very well with Hull High Pheasant Extreme 32g 5 I hope you have a good day and find a cartridge that YOU are happy with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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