rogcal Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 This must have been a targeted theft of firearms and begs the question of how far do we go to keep the fact that firearms are stored at our home. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-42590150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 With 1.7 million employed by the NHS and the fact that you have firearms plainly displayed on your medical records I believe this will become a regular occurrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Gotta be. Followed back from a clay shoot or something like that possibly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Symptomatic of the lawless nature of rural England sadly! A generation are operating who have no fear of anyone including the Police and know there is little that will be done even if they are apprehended. A sorry state of affairs really...... 24 minutes ago, Brad93 said: Gotta be. Followed back from a clay shoot or something like that possibly? More likely tipped off by the local petty criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 we can do lots to keep our guns safe from the scum bags, but if they want them they will have them.one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpeshooter60 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 what would happen if you faired for your life and family and you got to your guns first and you no what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 43 minutes ago, sharpeshooter60 said: what would happen if you faired for your life and family and you got to your guns first and you no what If the force you used was proportionate to the threat you faced, or believed to face, at 3.30am, in the dark wearing just your pants then you would have a good defence in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, sharpeshooter60 said: what would happen if you faired for your life and family and you got to your guns first and you no what I heard recently that a homeowner, "fearing" for his life, got off with murdering the intruder. Which didn't sound unreasonable or unusual until i heard the bit about him stabbing the intruder over 50, yes 50 times. 13 minutes ago, kennett said: If the force you used was proportionate to the threat you faced, or believed to face, at 3.30am, in the dark wearing just your pants then you would have a good defence in law. Edit: Quote https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/homeowner-errol-hanson-who-stabbed-burglar-50-times-is-cleared-of-murder-b203hcwzf Edited January 6, 2018 by silver pigeon69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 39 minutes ago, silver pigeon69 said: I heard recently that a homeowner, "fearing" for his life, got off with murdering the intruder. Which didn't sound unreasonable or unusual until i heard the bit about him stabbing the intruder over 50, yes 50 times. Edit: Quote https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/homeowner-errol-hanson-who-stabbed-burglar-50-times-is-cleared-of-murder-b203hcwzf I was going to comment along the lines of "he didn't get away with murder but just defended himself or his family" But having read the first few lines I changed my mind. He locked the burglar out and then went to get a weapon. Not read what happened in between that and the stabbing but unless the guy had got back into he house I can't see how it isn't murder! Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, eddoakley said: I was going to comment along the lines of "he didn't get away with murder but just defended himself or his family" But having read the first few lines I changed my mind. He locked the burglar out and then went to get a weapon. Not read what happened in between that and the stabbing but unless the guy had got back into he house I can't see how it isn't murder! Edd I think it was a lot more complex case than those few lines from the Times suggest. The accused was a paranoid schizophrenic for a start: http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/15724300._I_had_to_stab_him____Paranoid_schizophrenic_stabbed_drunken_intruder_50_times_in_his_Catford_home__court_hears/ Plus did he get lucky with the composition of a jury in Southwark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 33 minutes ago, TriBsa said: I think it was a lot more complex case than those few lines from the Times suggest. The accused was a paranoid schizophrenic for a start: http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/15724300._I_had_to_stab_him____Paranoid_schizophrenic_stabbed_drunken_intruder_50_times_in_his_Catford_home__court_hears/ Plus did he get lucky with the composition of a jury in Southwark? It does indeed seem a little more complicated. However some things are facts. If you accused went away to get a weapon and then came back to use it then that is pretty much the dictionary definition of murder. He planned to kill the intruder or at least to harm him. It does not read, to me at least, that he was under attack or in any danger. But that is only based on the articles quoted above. If he is found not guilty it would have to be on the grounds of diminished responsibility or whatever the correct term is and surely he would spend the forseable in secure accommdation, basically in prison for his actions. But that's just my take on it. I would also point out that I am in no way defending the burglar. Saying that he was drunk and stoned is no excuse and whatever the circumstances I believe that if you enter someone's home you should expect them to retaliate and I don't even think there should be a limit to it. I completely agree with the yanks theory that if you are where you shouldn't be then you can expect to be shot. But our laws are different and we have to abide by them. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Monster Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 But that wasn't gun related . I would focus on cases with gun involved eg burglar being shot by homeowner. 19 hours ago, 1066 said: With 1.7 million employed by the NHS and the fact that you have firearms plainly displayed on your medical records I believe this will become a regular occurrence. That is true I'm affraid and question is what if...? We have 2 options- defend yourself or just get robbed. I remember one case from 2012 : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jail-for-burglars-shot-by-homeowner-8180323.html I remember it was something very new to me that homeowners were arrested right away and spent 40 hours in jail. As far as I know they eventually left the country after receiving threats from friends of those thugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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