Ttfjlc Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Evening all, my dad and I are looking to get a new crimp starter for his old mec, a very kind and patient PW member lent me his brass super crimper which made light work of the batch of new cases we had, after doing some research on here I discovered someone had used a brass one from siarm. Now my question is which one should we try and get? The original plastic mec and brass siarm one are around a tenner whereas the brass super pull your pants down one is around 40 quid, we are not expert reloaders and we'd be mainly loading new cases, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 I'd go for the cheaper brass one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 they all work but if you're looking for factory like results, then it has to be steel I do have an all steel set up back home but i learnt that a Load all does the same job and produces the same test results...although not the same look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted March 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 11:51, Smokersmith said: I'd go for the cheaper brass one. 3 hours ago, Continental Shooter said: they all work but if you're looking for factory like results, then it has to be steel I do have an all steel set up back home but i learnt that a Load all does the same job and produces the same test results...although not the same look! Thanks to you both for replying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Continental Shooter said: they all work but if you're looking for factory like results, then it has to be steel I do have an all steel set up back home but i learnt that a Load all does the same job and produces the same test results...although not the same look! Why does it have to be steel? I can get very good results with my brass crimp starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 well, if all the factory ones are steel... there must be a reason... have you ever wondered why most knives are steel and none are brass? I know there will probably be someone that argues that brass cuts as well...and it's true; but it's a matter of fact that steel makes better, more defined cuts. If you look inside the two yoiu sill see that one has sharper, polished blades and the other more rounded and coarse ones.... it's a matter of getting what you pay for really. As i said, I am using a Lee Load All at the minute and would use brass if needed (with some sharpening tool) becasue is cheap and i am no loger bothered about the looks... but it's obvious to me that steel's cuts are better in shape and depth If you add a steel spinner to that... you're game on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Continental Shooter said: well, if all the factory ones are steel... there must be a reason... have you ever wondered why most knives are steel and none are brass? I know there will probably be someone that argues that brass cuts as well...and it's true; but it's a matter of fact that steel makes better, more defined cuts. If you look inside the two yoiu sill see that one has sharper, polished blades and the other more rounded and coarse ones.... it's a matter of getting what you pay for really. As i said, I am using a Lee Load All at the minute and would use brass if needed (with some sharpening tool) becasue is cheap and i am no loger bothered about the looks... but it's obvious to me that steel's cuts are better in shape and depth If you add a steel spinner to that... you're game on! I don't know what you are talking about. Cuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m greeny Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, motty said: I don't know what you are talking about. Cuts? Knives i think??? Do you reckon a brass spinner is just as good motty and where did you get one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, m greeny said: Knives i think??? Do you reckon a brass spinner is just as good motty and where did you get one No, I'm not talking about a brass spinner, though I am sure they would work ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Dunno what any of you are talking about! Crimp starter, crimp super crown starter or crimp spinner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Brass will wear quicker than steel, therefore more suitable for the homeloader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 22 hours ago, motty said: I don't know what you are talking about. Cuts? Yeah, the blades that make the incision on the hulls 22 hours ago, motty said: No, I'm not talking about a brass spinner, though I am sure they would work ok. They all work well, it all depends if you're bothered about the looks. That was my point. Also, as said, brass spinner will wear quicker but they are a lot cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Looking to buy a brass or steel crimp starter for a Mec Jr. Where from and price please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, Continental Shooter said: Yeah, the blades that make the incision on the hulls They all work well, it all depends if you're bothered about the looks. That was my point. Also, as said, brass spinner will wear quicker but they are a lot cheaper My steel super crimp starter is a load of rubbish, as it cuts straight through the cases. My brass one is spot on, with crisp folds given to new cases. 42 minutes ago, Salopian said: Looking to buy a brass or steel crimp starter for a Mec Jr. Where from and price please. Siarm. Less than £15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, motty said: My steel super crimp starter is a load of rubbish, as it cuts straight through the cases. My brass one is spot on, with crisp folds given to new cases. Siarm. Less than £15. Yeah, as I said, blades are sharper. If too sharp you can smooth them a bit. Brass will wear and blades get rounder. To everything, however, there are exceptions...and, if I recall correctly, certain batches of gaep steel crimper us to do that but it's more a production issue. Siarm brass tool is one that does a great job for the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 But are they made from brass or brass alloy? Some brass alloys can be hardened, which would give the crimp starter longevity! I imagine a brass alloy crimp starter would pre-crimp many thousands of cases before it was worn beyond use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 As far as I know is brass, some are compressed. They'll give you a few thousands then start to fade off, if you really want you can sharpen the blade a few times with some 800 grade sandpaper attached to something that fits inside it but overall won't matter, still a good buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 In the end I went for the brass crimper from clay and game as it was here in time for my dad's birthday, turned out ok as the bn2 gaep spinner my sisters bought me arrived from Italy today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 You'll make some nice shells with that combo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted March 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 21 hours ago, Smokersmith said: You'll make some nice shells with that combo For over £80 worth I certainly hope so! the only downside is if the crimps are naff I can't blame the tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 the brass one from siarm is the one to get top pic on the right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 They look better than a lot of factory shells i have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenergp Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 They look very nice, i am tempted to get one of the siarm starters myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 well worth picking one up if you order wads are shot from them iv had this set up on my MEC for close to 8 years cant falt the starter or the BN2 head that i use in a pillar dril Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 well done, they look spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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