The economics of the madhouse ..... or the future of benefits?

[Pistol p]

On 1 August 2018 at 17:54, motty said:

Post Brexit, the focus should be on getting our work-shy into jobs, rather than offering ridiculous incentives for them to stay at home!

This exactly. Bad back bob needs to up his game.

[old man]

On 03/08/2018 at 08:02, JohnfromUK said:

Thank you.  In fact my redundancy and savings will be easily visible to the DWP who should be checking up on these things.  It would have been very risky even if I had felt tempted to make false claims.  I was brought up to both save and be prepared for a 'rainy day', but regrettably the system penalises the 'prudent' and the honest ........ and rewards the feckless, spendthrifts and dishonest.  This is one of the big problems with the whole system, just look at all of the false claims coming to like over Grenfell.  In my view we should be MUCH tougher on fraudulent claims.

I do think that the level of fraud and false claims is probably very high (many people on these forums have quoted examples), but the civil service/government must get to grips with this.

The fraud investigations should start at parliamentary level maybe as their seeming proclivity for greed  can only fuel the same in society at large?

Fraud seems to have become a way of life for some, certainly easier than working and useful as a nice free top up.

In any event it probably costs more to investigate than just keep paying out? 

Bad back Bob is happy with his lot letting the rest take the strain and pain.

Edited August 4, 2018 by old man

[TIGHTCHOKE]

15 minutes ago, old man said:

The fraud investigations should start at parliamentary level maybe as their seeming proclivity for greed  can only fuel the same in society at large?

Fraud seems to have become a way of life for some, certainly easier than working and useful as a nice free top up.

In any event it probably costs more to investigate than just keep paying out? 

Bad back Bob is happy with his lot letting the rest take the strain and pain.

It will these days!

[Gordon R]

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In any event it probably costs more to investigate than just keep paying out? 

Fraud could be cut dramatically if the various bodies stopped using only one system for tracing multiple identity fraud.

DWP use addresses, HMRC use National Insurance numbers and Housing Benefits appear to use no system whatsoever. All these bodies need to check for multiple claims at one address, using all the computer systems combined. Can anyone who thinks that they already do this - go back and do your homework. They don't.

They also need to stop issuing National Insurance numbers  to people without any real check and those who visit the UK for the day - stopping only to get that NI number.

Edited August 4, 2018 by Gordon R

[Bigbob]

I don't see why we should pay a universal basic income ive worked since i was 15 and there looking at me now working till im 67 so i finish on the friday and drop down dead on the monday very handy for the government , my solutions very simple   second generation dole birds get nothing  they haven't  put anything in to the system so they get nothing out  don't need  a basic income theres jobs out there ask all the polish that are working here doing the jobs the unemployed british feel is beneath them 

[Vince Green]

The point is, why would anyone work if they can get more money by not working? Even better if you can get a cash in hand job on the side as well. The system not only allows it, it encourages it and the authorities turn a blind eye.

The people who's job it is to investigate the abuses just shut their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and go "La La La". then they can say haven't seen anything, haven't heard anything.

THATS the real problem

[old man]

5 hours ago, Vince Green said:

The point is, why would anyone work if they can get more money by not working? Even better if you can get a cash in hand job on the side as well. The system not only allows it, it encourages it and the authorities turn a blind eye.

The people who's job it is to investigate the abuses just shut their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and go "La La La". then they can say haven't seen anything, haven't heard anything.

THATS the real problem

A real problem and a real insult to the people paying in to support the system but as is usual with councils and governments, not their money, don't give a fig just keep tightening the screw!

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, old man said:

A real problem and a real insult to the people paying in to support the system but as is usual with councils and governments, not their money, don't give a fig just keep tightening the screw!

It is much easier to get money from the 95 plus % who are decent law abiding citizens, and it has no real control on it, and it is also dead easy for governments to borrow money.  The payback will be in the future - and someone else's problem.  So far I believe the ONLY Prime Minister/Government to reduce the National Debt (to any degree) was Mrs Thatcher.

I am amazed and actually really sickened that so many so called 'Millennials' who accuse Brexiters of 'ruining their future' want to borrow money Corbyn style.  THAT is what would really ruin not only their future, but their children's as well.

The key to a prosperous future for ALL is using money efficiently for NHS, Defence, roads etc - not paying interest to the lenders.  Currently about 8% of what we all pay in tax goes to paying interest on what our politicians have borrowed.  This can only rise - as interest rates WILL rise, and debt is not coming down.  Every one of us owes £15,000 borrowed on our behalf by our governments - or £33,000 per working person.  Spending and borrowing more is the route to disaster (look at Venezuela with inflation set for 1 million percent)