ShootingEgg Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Rob525 said: Im at lowther tomorrow so will push the questions to if nothing keep it at the front of there minds! Hopefully you'll get some useful information? Edited August 12, 2018 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 There are a number of misconceptions on this thread - probably by Englishmen. ? The Crown "owns" very little Scottish foreshore. The point is that, in Scotland, the Crown holds in trust for the public, a right to resort to the foreshore for recreational purposes, including wildfowling, irrespective of who owns it. That is why we can go wildfowling on foreshore that is owned by the RSPB - such as on the north shore of the Tay estuary and at Skinflatts on the Forth estuary. On LNRs and NNRs, that right is taken away by the reserve byelaws and the managing agency can issue permits to do things (like shooting) which are banned in the byelaws. If SNH lack the resources to adequately manage the reserve, they should pass over the job to an agency that can do it properly. How about a consortium of local wildfowling and conservation clubs and societies? BASC must be given wholehearted support to fight this impending injustice. In-fighting between BASC members and BASC detractors will merely hasten the demise of wildfowling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jimbo57 said: There are a number of misconceptions on this thread - probably by Englishmen. ? The Crown "owns" very little Scottish foreshore. The point is that, in Scotland, the Crown holds in trust for the public, a right to resort to the foreshore for recreational purposes, including wildfowling, irrespective of who owns it. That is why we can go wildfowling on foreshore that is owned by the RSPB - such as on the north shore of the Tay estuary and at Skinflatts on the Forth estuary. On LNRs and NNRs, that right is taken away by the reserve byelaws and the managing agency can issue permits to do things (like shooting) which are banned in the byelaws. If SNH lack the resources to adequately manage the reserve, they should pass over the job to an agency that can do it properly. How about a consortium of local wildfowling and conservation clubs and societies? BASC must be given wholehearted support to fight this impending injustice. In-fighting between BASC members and BASC detractors will merely hasten the demise of wildfowling. As an "englishman" I did not know this so learnt something.. I agree with younlast points, work together rather than in fight would be a good direction to go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, Jimbo57 said: There are a number of misconceptions on this thread - probably by Englishmen. ? The Crown "owns" very little Scottish foreshore. The point is that, in Scotland, the Crown holds in trust for the public, a right to resort to the foreshore for recreational purposes, including wildfowling, irrespective of who owns it. That is why we can go wildfowling on foreshore that is owned by the RSPB - such as on the north shore of the Tay estuary and at Skinflatts on the Forth estuary. On LNRs and NNRs, that right is taken away by the reserve byelaws and the managing agency can issue permits to do things (like shooting) which are banned in the byelaws. If SNH lack the resources to adequately manage the reserve, they should pass over the job to an agency that can do it properly. How about a consortium of local wildfowling and conservation clubs and societies? BASC must be given wholehearted support to fight this impending injustice. In-fighting between BASC members and BASC detractors will merely hasten the demise of wildfowling. I learnt something too. If the local wildfowling groups could get together then hopefully BASC can match there contribution if required for the benefit of retaining the shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) On 10/08/2018 at 21:00, Lloyd90 said: What was that then? It's about of a saga, but BASC didn't exactly cover themselves in glory. https://www.sacs.org.uk/news/sacs-response-to-basc-findhorn-statement Edited August 13, 2018 by Piebob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Piebob said: It's about of a saga, but BASC didn't exactly cover themselves in glory. https://www.sacs.org.uk/news/sacs-response-to-basc-findhorn-statement Sounds about rights ... has anyone challenged them about it? Members should demand an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenshank1 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Everyone needs to email the SNH reserve managers asking for an explanation and ask why if SNH are struggling with resources don't they the wildfowling scheme to BASC or local wildfowlers to manage. Copy in SNH chief executive. The reserve manager is Suzanne McIntyre and her details are on the NNR website. The more email enquiries and formal complaints the better . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Unfortunately i couldn't get to the basc rep in the wildfowling tent as there was a que and i got lured into the weekend away raffle then dragged away by my screaming 3year old! I hope others have better luck and this gets challanged at a serious level by people with more policical knowledge in this area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, greenshank1 said: Everyone needs to email the SNH reserve managers asking for an explanation and ask why if SNH are struggling with resources don't they the wildfowling scheme to BASC or local wildfowlers to manage. Copy in SNH chief executive. The reserve manager is Suzanne McIntyre and her details are on the NNR website. The more email enquiries and formal complaints the better . I’ll try and do this this week. Unlikely to ever shoot there but I don’t like the way things are heading. Findhorn was a bad enough mess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Jimbo57 said: In Scotland, the Crown holds in trust for the public, a right to resort to the foreshore for recreational purposes, including wildfowling, irrespective of who owns it. That is why we can go wildfowling on foreshore that is owned by the RSPB I don’t really understand this bit,(the part about LNR’s and bylaws makes sense). How does RSPB ownership,(or anyone else’s for that matter) not remove our right to wildfowl? Otherwise what’s the point in them owning it at all? I’ve always understood it as the crown owning everything below mean high water mark. From a dumb Scot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 The point I'm making is that until a by-law is debated, actioned and made law (I have no idea of time or the complexities of creating a by-law) if you are on Crown Foreshore below the AHWM what would/could you be charged with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 Having a quick look and Scottish by-laws copy the policy below. To me it says that management can be used and if this is not adhered to then a by-law can be granted but it doesn't seem a straight forward process and one the council needs to write! Up in Moray the council made it perfectly clear they had no desire to write by-laws,. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-government-legislation-byelaws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Dave, I appreciate that you may not be able to reply in detail, but do you feel that any progress is possible following yesterday's meeting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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