The Salisbury Poison Gas Incident II

[Scully]

Ok, Im convinced, it wasn’t the Russians. Next conspiracy theory? 

[welsh1]

6 hours ago, Hamster said:

So it is, not sure what that's got to do with military grade nerve agent being successfully smuggled into the country and casually sprayed onto door knobs in broad daylight mind. 🙄 🕵️‍♀️ 

You were trying to show that the Russians didn't need PPE(the pin was in) and the investigators did(someone pulled the pin)

Or am i totally misreading the two pictures you put up showing the Russians without PPE and the investigators with PPE?

[henry d]

6 hours ago, Hamster said:

So it is, not sure what that's got to do with military grade nerve agent being successfully smuggled into the country and casually sprayed onto door knobs in broad daylight mind. 🙄 🕵️‍♀️ 

Who, apart from you, says it was casually sprayed on?

[kenholland]

then there was the guy who was strangled , who will be next, midsomer  murders get Barnaby on the case.

[BRYAN3]

So did they find traces of the nerve agent in the Ruskies hotel room 5 months ago and take 5 months to give their names(false or otherwise).

Or have they left the room contaminated for 5 months until back tracking the two chaps to the hotel?

I wonder if the two suspects might turn out to be members of the white helmets.

[Hamster]

4 hours ago, BRYAN3 said:

So did they find traces of the nerve agent in the Ruskies hotel room 5 months ago and take 5 months to give their names(false or otherwise).

Or have they left the room contaminated for 5 months until back tracking the two chaps to the hotel?

I wonder if the two suspects might turn out to be members of the white helmets.

😂 👍  

They'll believe anything so long as it's uttered by a "news" anchor. The unremittingly unpopular George Galloway (who speaketh too much truth for most) is well worth watching if you really want to get the low down on the absurd holes in the latest saga. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Hamster

[Rewulf]

4 hours ago, BRYAN3 said:

 

Or have they left the room contaminated for 5 months until back tracking the two chaps to the hotel?

You know what these hotel room cleaners are like 🤣🤣

 

39 minutes ago, Hamster said:

😂 👍  

They'll believe anything so long as it's uttered by a "news" anchor. The unremittingly unpopular George Holloway (who speaketh too much truth for most) is well worth watching if you really want to get the low down on the absurd holes in the latest saga. 

I think you mean George Galloway,  long ago rendered a false prophet by the establishment for various reasons, he has ,like you say , a lot to say on the matter. Some of it quite feasible.

But no one really listens to him these days, another one with too many dalliances with unsavoury characters unfortunately.

[Hamster]

20 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

You know what these hotel room cleaners are like 🤣🤣

 

I think you mean George Galloway,  long ago rendered a false prophet by the establishment for various reasons, he has ,like you say , a lot to say on the matter. Some of it quite feasible.

But no one really listens to him these days, another one with too many dalliances with unsavoury characters unfortunately.

Yes sorry. 

[Scully]

Well like I said; now we know it wasn’t the Russians, who was it? 

[Hamster]

Like I said people who actually benefit from demonising Russia. 

[Mungler]

27 minutes ago, Hamster said:

Like I said people who actually benefit from demonising Russia. 

Yeah like that country needs extra help in demonising it beyond what it actually is 😆

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Hamster said:

Like I said people who actually benefit from demonising Russia. 

And that’s it? That’s your answer after everything that’s been discussed?! Ah well....

[Hamster]

59 minutes ago, Scully said:

And that’s it? That’s your answer after everything that’s been discussed?! Ah well....

UK, Israel, Canada, US, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Ukraine to name just a few.................ah well. 

The country most pivotal in winning the war against fascism and Nazi Germany got its reward by being made into the new bogeyman before the smoke had cleared. 

[pinfireman]

2 hours ago, Hamster said:

Like I said people who actually benefit from demonising Russia. 

and they are? 

12 minutes ago, Hamster said:

UK, Israel, Canada, US, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Ukraine to name just a few.................ah well. 

The country most pivotal in winning the war against fascism and Nazi Germany got its reward by being made into the new bogeyman before the smoke had cleared. 

My late friend, (The only Polish  RFD in the UK) was invited by these warm, kind, caring socialists (the NKVD) to spend 2 years in their versions of Butlins (the gulags!), along with almost 2 million of his fellow countrymen......he was 16 years old at the time. He never freely spoke about it, it had to be prised out of him, but it was horrendous.  Leopards and spots comes to mind! Putin snuffed out REAL democracy in Russia.

[Hamster]

5 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

and they are? 

My late friend, (The only Polish  RFD in the UK) was invited by these warm, kind, caring socialists (the NKVD) to spend 2 years in their versions of Butlins (the gulags!), along with almost 2 million of his fellow countrymen......he was 16 years old at the time. He never freely spoke about it, it had to be prised out of him, but it was horrendous.  Leopards and spots comes to mind! Putin snuffed out REAL democracy in Russia.

You think we have real democracy here or anywhere in the West for that matter ? 

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Hamster said:

 

The country most pivotal in winning the war against fascism and Nazi Germany got its reward by being made into the new bogeyman before the smoke had cleared. 

You cant really argue with that.
Churchill and Truman considered carrying on and invading Russia after Germanys defeat, why ?

Were they that scared of communism ?
We know Churchill was, his aristocratic roots made him so , it was a direct threat to his status quo.

So why didnt they do it?
Quite simple really, they didnt fancy their chances, and thats with the bomb.

Within a few years they had formed NATO to counter the soviet 'threat' Russia formed the Warsaw pact a few years later, and the cold war and arms race began.
And continues, despite what you may have been told.

Just now, pinfireman said:

and they are? 

Consider Ukraine.
What if the failure of its European integration, break up and resultant civil conflict caused such consternation to its western backed government, that they were willing to do virtually anything to blacken Russias admittedly, already shaky reputation.
Willing to shoot peaceful protesters and blame in on ethnic Russian Ukrainians.
Say Russian tanks were coming over the border ?
Maybe shoot down a passenger plane, and say it was fired from Russian territory ?
Assassinate dissident journos.
Or poison ex Russian spies in a UK city indiscriminately ?

No one knows for sure, what we do know is that some of the above have been proved false, the rest are considered proved in the west, but only on the flimsiest of evidence, or journalistic kangeroo court.
What it comes down to in every instance is MOTIVE.
You want to believe the Russkies had or have motive, but if you can unbias yourself, then it becomes apparent that there are others with better motives.

[Hamster]

11 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

You cant really argue with that.
Churchill and Truman considered carrying on and invading Russia after Germanys defeat, why ?

Were they that scared of communism ?
We know Churchill was, his aristocratic roots made him so , it was a direct threat to his status quo.

So why didnt they do it?
Quite simple really, they didnt fancy their chances, and thats with the bomb.

Within a few years they had formed NATO to counter the soviet 'threat' Russia formed the Warsaw pact a few years later, and the cold war and arms race began.
And continues, despite what you may have been told.

Consider Ukraine.
What if the failure of its European integration, break up and resultant civil conflict caused such consternation to its western backed government, that they were willing to do virtually anything to blacken Russias admittedly, already shaky reputation.
Willing to shoot peaceful protesters and blame in on ethnic Russian Ukrainians.
Say Russian tanks were coming over the border ?
Maybe shoot down a passenger plane, and say it was fired from Russian territory ?
Assassinate dissident journos.
Or poison ex Russian spies in a UK city indiscriminately ?

No one knows for sure, what we do know is that some of the above have been proved false, the rest are considered proved in the west, but only on the flimsiest of evidence, or journalistic kangeroo court.
What it comes down to in every instance is MOTIVE.
You want to believe the Russkies had or have motive, but if you can unbias yourself, then it becomes apparent that there are others with better motives.

Quite brilliant. 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Hamster said:

UK, Israel, Canada, US, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Ukraine to name just a few.................ah well. 

The country most pivotal in winning the war against fascism and Nazi Germany got its reward by being made into the new bogeyman before the smoke had cleared. 

So tell me, how does benefitting from demonising Russia manifest itself? 

I think you’ll find Russia became at least the UK’s bogeyman long before the smoke had cleared from WWII, but let’s not let history stand in the way of yet another sound bite. 

I’m not convinced you know anything more than the rest of us, despite your desperate attempts to prove the contrary. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Scully

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

You cant really argue with that.
 

Consider Ukraine.
What if the failure of its European integration, break up and resultant civil conflict caused such consternation to its western backed government, that they were willing to do virtually anything to blacken Russias admittedly, already shaky reputation.
Willing to shoot peaceful protesters and blame in on ethnic Russian Ukrainians.
Say Russian tanks were coming over the border ?
Maybe shoot down a passenger plane, and say it was fired from Russian territory ?
Assassinate dissident journos.
Or poison ex Russian spies in a UK city indiscriminately ?

No one knows for sure, what we do know is that some of the above have been proved false, the rest are considered proved in the west, but only on the flimsiest of evidence, or journalistic kangeroo court.
What it comes down to in every instance is MOTIVE.
You want to believe the Russkies had or have motive, but if you can unbias yourself, then it becomes apparent that there are others with better motives.

I can .

All conjecture. You want us to believe the Russians aren’t responsible for so much of the things it is claimed they are, yet you have nothing better to offer than your own unprovable ( unless you WANT to believe it! 😉 ) opinion. 

[Hamster]

13 minutes ago, Scully said:

I can .

All conjecture. You want us to believe the Russians aren’t responsible for so much of the things it is claimed they are, yet you have nothing better to offer than your own unprovable ( unless you WANT to believe it! 😉 ) opinion. 

Errrr, that actually translates to you can't, yours (as in the official msm version of events) is all too readily blown apart when viewed with any degree of logic. It's just that when presented with these alternative angles you simply continue to ignore them and come up with gems like : well what do you propose to do about it ! 😏

 

28 minutes ago, Scully said:

So tell me, how does benefitting from demonising Russia manifest itself? 

I think you’ll find Russia became at least the UK’s bogeyman long before the smoke had cleared from WWII, but let’s not let history stand in the way of yet another sound bite. 

I’m not convinced you know anything more than the rest of us, despite your desperate attempts to prove the contrary. 

It manifests itself in murica and its puppet states being able to continue to spend trillions on their arms industries and fooling the sheeple that they're under threat whilst the .0001% fill their already obscenely rich pockets with our taxes and ignore actual real world issues such as poverty, unemployment, climate change, homelessness, etc, etc, etc............................

[pinfireman]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

You cant really argue with that.
Churchill and Truman considered carrying on and invading Russia after Germanys defeat, why ?

Were they that scared of communism ?
We know Churchill was, his aristocratic roots made him so , it was a direct threat to his status quo.

So why didnt they do it?
Quite simple really, they didnt fancy their chances, and thats with the bomb.

Within a few years they had formed NATO to counter the soviet 'threat' Russia formed the Warsaw pact a few years later, and the cold war and arms race began.
And continues, despite what you may have been told.

Consider Ukraine.
What if the failure of its European integration, break up and resultant civil conflict caused such consternation to its western backed government, that they were willing to do virtually anything to blacken Russias admittedly, already shaky reputation.
Willing to shoot peaceful protesters and blame in on ethnic Russian Ukrainians.
Say Russian tanks were coming over the border ?
Maybe shoot down a passenger plane, and say it was fired from Russian territory ?
Assassinate dissident journos.
Or poison ex Russian spies in a UK city indiscriminately ?

No one knows for sure, what we do know is that some of the above have been proved false, the rest are considered proved in the west, but only on the flimsiest of evidence, or journalistic kangeroo court.
What it comes down to in every instance is MOTIVE.
You want to believe the Russkies had or have motive, but if you can unbias yourself, then it becomes apparent that there are others with better motives.

After what they did to my friend, and other Ukrainian and Polish  people I,ve met, I,ll go with West,s stance! I find that most conspiracy theorists are just that.....theorists! Where there,s smoke, there is usually fire!

 

2 hours ago, Hamster said:

You think we have real democracy here or anywhere in the West for that matter ? 

Compared to Russia, YES! It,s not perfect, but at least we are not going around  killing journalists, or locking up leading political opponents, especially just before an election! The fact that the loony Corbyn is a possible Prime Minister makes my point!

[Hamster]

4 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

After what they did to my friend, and other Ukrainian and Polish  people I,ve met, I,ll go with West,s stance! I find that most conspiracy theorists are just that.....theorists! Where there,s smoke, there is usually fire!

 

Waterboarding, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, extra judicial kidnappings by Western governments, torture (whilst telling others off for doing the exact same), land theft, apartheid support, illegal invasions, killing millions based on lies, destroying several countries, displacement of millions based on fake reasons, selling arms to despots.........................how come these don't tickle your conscience much compared to your friend's suffering ? 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Hamster

[pinfireman]

37 minutes ago, Scully said:

So tell me, how does benefitting from demonising Russia manifest itself? 

I think you’ll find Russia became at least the UK’s bogeyman long before the smoke had cleared from WWII, but let’s not let history stand in the way of yet another sound bite. 

I’m not convinced you know anything more than the rest of us, despite your desperate attempts to prove the contrary. 

Excellent!

[Scully]

5 minutes ago, Hamster said:

Errrr, that actually translates to you can't, yours (as in the official msm version of events) is all too readily blown apart when viewed with any degree of logic. It's just that when presented with these alternative angles you simply continue to ignore them and come up with gems like : well what do you propose to do about it ! 😏

Go on then, prove me wrong. You’re so convinced us sheeple are so wrong, but have nothing better to provide yourselves. And the truth is, you can’t do ANYTHING about it because you have no better idea than any of us! 😉

It manifests itself in murica and its puppet states being able to continue to spend trillions on their arms industries and fooling the sheeple that they're under threat whilst the .0001% fill their already obscenely rich pockets with our taxes and ignore actual real world issues such as poverty, unemployment, climate change, homelessness, etc, etc, etc...........................Ah, I see, and the Russians aren’t doing this either eh? Really? 😃

 

[Hamster]

5 minutes ago, pinfireman said:

After what they did to my friend, and other Ukrainian and Polish  people I,ve met, I,ll go with West,s stance! I find that most conspiracy theorists are just that.....theorists! Where there,s smoke, there is usually fire!

 

Compared to Russia, YES! It,s not perfect, but at least we are not going around  killing journalists, or locking up leading political opponents, especially just before an election! The fact that the loony Corbyn is a possible Prime Minister makes my point!

Tell that to Dr. David Kelly, Assange and Edward Snowden . 

Can't remember the name of the now transgender marine who got locked up for exposing murican crimes, there's also been several journalist murdered in the middle east who had published expose's on Western crimes.