Farmboy91 Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 I imagine with the vast wealth of knowledge on here that many will have come across this before, but is anyone on here holding a 22lr on the miniature rifle rule? I only came across it by chance watching a video on YouTube this afternoon and after a bit of Googling I was surprised that you can still hold a firearm like this with the way things are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 I know a couple of lads who own gallery rifles, but don’t use them for their original purpose. Im intrigued as to why you’re surprised that people can still own them ‘ the way things are’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Because you can hold and FAC item without an FAC? Theres plenty out there who don't want you possessing a SGC/FAC when you have a legitimate reason too. Edit, if I've missed something simple here, please enlighten me lol. Believe me I don't think we need any more restrictions regarding our chosen sport but if I've read correctly anyone can have said rifle without a ticket, which cannot be a good thing. Edited November 11, 2019 by Farmboy91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 Really? That’s news to me. I know nothing about the ownership of such rifles, but the two blokes I know who own them, both have tickets. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 I don't think it means actual gallery rifles per say, that's what the rule/law was named as, it covered rifles under .23 caliber. I was surprised too, maybe its a good thing its little known of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) See https://www.nsra.co.uk/index.php/news/1783-exemption-certificates-and-section-11-4 I think it is an exemption dating back along time the police do not like it, originally for fair grounds and pubs, their was one or two still about using shipping containers as ranges. Section 11(4) of the 1968 Firearms Act states:A person conducting or carrying on a miniature rifle range (whether for a rifle club or otherwise) or shooting gallery at which no firearms are used other than air weapons or miniature rifles not exceeding .23 inch calibre may, without holding a certificate, have in his possession, or purchase or acquire, such miniature rifles and ammunition suitable therefor; and any person may, without holding a certificate, use any such rifle and ammunition at such a range or gallery. And no medical report required! Edited November 11, 2019 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, rbrowning2 said: See https://www.nsra.co.uk/index.php/news/1783-exemption-certificates-and-section-11-4 I think it is an exemption dating back along time the police do not like it, originally for fair grounds and pubs, their was one or two still about using shipping containers as ranges. Yep that was one of the articles I read, was curious to see how many actually used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 It seems spandit may have looked into it. No sure how much though. Link if anyone fancies a read https://bushcraftuk.com/community/index.php?threads/22lr-without-fac-yes-apparently-you-can.109971/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: It seems spandit may have looked into it. No sure how much though. Link if anyone fancies a read https://bushcraftuk.com/community/index.php?threads/22lr-without-fac-yes-apparently-you-can.109971/ Thanks for posting the link 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Gillespie Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 I like fairgrounds and bars . I'll suggest it to my pub landlord to get the crowd in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 Well there you go; everydays a school day! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 There's still plenty of local rifle clubs operating under 11-4 exemptions. This was not unusual up until quite recently. Interesting note here showing where the police are giving out false information to try to make clubs give up this valuable freedom. https://nsra.co.uk/index.php/news/28-shooting/2572-advice-to-clubs-on-section-11-4-exemptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, 1066 said: There's still plenty of local rifle clubs operating under 11-4 exemptions. This was not unusual up until quite recently. Interesting note here showing where the police are giving out false information to try to make clubs give up this valuable freedom. https://nsra.co.uk/index.php/news/28-shooting/2572-advice-to-clubs-on-section-11-4-exemptions Hmm no they wouldn't do that would they 🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decoyman Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Back in a previous life I came across this from someone wanting to purchase some .22 ammo, Short or acorn) - cannot remember now, but they were members of something like the association of circus/fairground traders. Checked it with Firearms Dept at time and was legit. this was in the 80s though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 This exemption is used by the "Showman's Guild" for fairground shooting galleries.. Showman's Guild rule 22. Page 45.. Just says that nothing larger than.22, not less than 18 feet long and sides must have 1/8 sheet steel sides and sufficient backstop to stop the bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, 1066 said: This exemption is used by the "Showman's Guild" for fairground shooting galleries.. Showman's Guild rule 22. Page 45.. Just says that nothing larger than.22, not less than 18 feet long and sides must have 1/8 sheet steel sides and sufficient backstop to stop the bullet. So you really could stick a container in your back garden lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Farmboy91 said: So you really could stick a container in your back garden lol. Probably - if you could prove your Ma was gipsy Lee and your 7x grandfather was court jester to Henry VIII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, 1066 said: Probably - if you could prove your Ma was gipsy Lee and your 7x grandfather was court jester to Henry VIII. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I'm descended from a line of bargey nail makers on my dad's mothers side. Looking for crowd funding for a 22 gallery shooting range 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peck Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 What exactly is a "Minature rifle" ? could it mean a rifle that is chambered for .22 extra short ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, peck said: What exactly is a "Minature rifle" ? could it mean a rifle that is chambered for .22 extra short ammo. I'm sure it's anything under .23 caliber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Miniature rifle covers .23 and smaller, and although it's not actually stated in the rules, it's implied to refer to rimfire only. So long rifle, long, short, CB, BB, 6, 5, 4mm Flobert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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